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Feeling strangely, quietly, a little bit optimistic

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HousePlantQueen Mon 24-Oct-22 17:34:30

Bear with me here.(1) The UK has finally kicked Johnson out, and I anticipate there will soon be disgrace, removal of the whip and removal from the HoC for him, his peculiar rise to fame has become infamy, although I do not underestimate his vanity and self belief. (2) Trump's days are ending too, courtrooms and disgrace beckon, finally for this disgusting charlatan (3) Even the BBC are discussing the negative impact of Brexit, the elephant in the room. Yes, there are very hard times ahead, and I am not ignoring Putin or China, but I am feeling ever so slightly optimistic that I was right; that the immoral Trump and Johnson would get their come uppance, and that Brexit was a huge mistake.

Sarah74 Mon 24-Oct-22 17:42:04

But - huge fallout globally from Boris, Trump and Brexit to deal with…….hmm

MayBee70 Mon 24-Oct-22 17:43:10

But why does it all take so long? I saw/heard Johnson lie in parliament. And we all knew what Trump was like before he even became president. Ditto Johnson as PM. I do agree with you, though. Realisation is slowly beginning to descend on people. Hopefully.

BlueBelle Mon 24-Oct-22 17:48:15

Are you ignoring the very Far right getting in to power in Italy

HousePlantQueen Mon 24-Oct-22 18:13:14

I am still wondering whether this is the right way to feel or whether I am sickening for something and need a lie down. Like many others, I watched in fear and despair as Trump, Johnson, Brexit happened like some nightmare version of The Emperor's New Clothes where nobody could or would see the reality. I was told to get over it, that I was unpatriotic/hated my country, was promoting Project Fear, all by people gullible enough to have voted to bring about this catastrophic situation (including a Trump supporting cousin in USA). I even began to doubt myself. I now look forward to seeing Trump and Johnson disgraced and Brexit slowly reversed. One thing I do not expect is apologies from the brexiteers and Johnson supporters, the ones who made me doubt my own instinct and moral code.

DaisyAnne Mon 24-Oct-22 18:17:03

I know what you mean HousePlantQueen. I don't think next year will be great but maybe we will start to see the end of personality politics.

NotSpaghetti Mon 24-Oct-22 19:31:04

BlueBelle

Are you ignoring the very Far right getting in to power in Italy

At least she has said she will not let Italy become the Putin voice in Europe and will continue to support Ukraine.
Small beer I know... but..

Wyllow3 Mon 24-Oct-22 19:42:28

Feel just the same about 2016 and what followed. Awful year. end of Obama, EU...then what followed.

I think Trump is far more dangerous than BJ what's happening in the US freaks me out. There was a long analysis programme on current far right in Republican Party.
15% party members think armed insurrection justified to bring Trump back as he was cheated out of victory.

Q Anon is gaining serious ground in the mainstream Party
Just have a look.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
I quote
" The core QAnon theory is that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic sexual abusers of children operating a global child sex trafficking ring conspired against former U.S. President Donald Trump during his term in office."

DaisyAnne Mon 24-Oct-22 21:20:36

Nope. Don't want to hear it, Wyllow. We didn't get Johnson back so something is good.

NanKate Mon 24-Oct-22 21:47:10

I’ll feel optimistic when Putin draws his last breath, or is banged up in the prison he sends innocent people to like the chap whose name evades me (was it Navalny?) who was an opposition politician.

FarNorth Mon 24-Oct-22 23:12:52

The UK has finally kicked Johnson out, and I anticipate there will soon be disgrace, removal of the whip and removal from the HoC for him,

And yet some, including members of the public interviewed on TV, seriously wanted him back as prime minister. confused

Tamayra Wed 26-Oct-22 11:15:56

There’s lots of evidence that this is the truth
Trump was overwhelmingly voted back in as president

maddyone Wed 26-Oct-22 11:35:02

NanKate

I’ll feel optimistic when Putin draws his last breath, or is banged up in the prison he sends innocent people to like the chap whose name evades me (was it Navalny?) who was an opposition politician.

Me too NanKate?

Grantanow Wed 26-Oct-22 11:43:06

I don't feel optimistic. The mess created by Truss will mean cuts and tax rises over the next few years. Russia and China will be difficult. Trump or some equivalent may make it to the White House and the Democrats may lose control of Congress. The world economic situation is not good and the outlook for the UK is inflation, recession, higher mortgage rates and little help with energy bills after April 2023.

Nusgranny Wed 26-Oct-22 11:44:34

What evidence ?

volver Wed 26-Oct-22 11:44:52

Tamayra

There’s lots of evidence that this is the truth
Trump was overwhelmingly voted back in as president

When did this happen?

Was I asleep?

MaizieD Wed 26-Oct-22 11:46:54

volver

Tamayra

There’s lots of evidence that this is the truth
Trump was overwhelmingly voted back in as president

When did this happen?

Was I asleep?

I thought it was another poster with a GSOH grin

maddyone Wed 26-Oct-22 11:49:07

I was confused about when Trump was voted back in too. Maybe I was also asleep grin

spabbygirl Wed 26-Oct-22 11:49:49

Hunt and Sunk are a nightmare combination, both want the end of the NHS, but Sunak will do it in a more subtle way. And Braverman is a disaster to anyone who cares about people from foreign lands needing sanctuary. I can't wait to get all the Tories out, as we'll see in a few weeks I'm sure

Zoejory Wed 26-Oct-22 11:55:29

maddyone

I was confused about when Trump was voted back in too. Maybe I was also asleep grin

Me too! I was rather shocked to think I'd missed it.

Galaxy Wed 26-Oct-22 12:01:15

It's possible hes back I suppose. I have been out for about an hour. Last week in the time I had cleaned the bathroom, the PM had gone.

Growing0ldDisgracefully Wed 26-Oct-22 12:16:15

Thought this was good.

Mimi1956 Wed 26-Oct-22 12:24:05

HousePlantQueen I was so glad to see your post. I feel exactly the same. Rishi Sunak appears to be so much more of a statesman than Boris. Fingers crossed for brighter times to come. No, before the doom and gloom brigade strike, I’m not forgetting Putin, China and the Ukraine but for my own well being I need some positivity at the moment.

sandelf Wed 26-Oct-22 12:29:06

HPQ I do agree. It will take time to achieve much BUT how fabulous to hear Sunak publicly supporting integrity, professionalism and accountability! At last. For too long the 'values' of Minder (it ain't a crime is it?) have been accepted.

grandtanteJE65 Wed 26-Oct-22 12:30:21

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump somehow wriggles out of his present predicament. I hope he doesn't, but it strikes me in the US you can get out of practically any crime if you can afford an expensive enough defence lawyer.

Boris Johnson is a slightly different propostion, as in order to become Prime Minister again he would need to be voted head of the Conservative party again. RIght now that is not going to happen.

Whether Sunak will make a good, a bad or an indifferent PM is not easy to say. He comes over as honest, which is startling these days, and seemingly has some notion of finance at government level.

No-one on earth will be able to get Britain out of the present mess at the drop of a hat.

Honestly, I think the entire Western world needs to realise that no-one whether an individual or a state can use money they do not have, unless they can borrow it, which is not and never has been the best way of managing an economic disaster.

If Britain is to avoid state bankruptcy Sunak is right in saying that some hard decisions will need to be made.

Whether these will take the form of higher taxation, cutting back on helping refugees and leaving the NHS to muddle along as best it can on its present budget I do not know, as I have never aspired to being Chancellor of the Exchequer.

As a housewife, I can tell you what you already know: using money regardless of whether you really can afford to or not is a slippery slope. It is high time that governments learned this lesson, not only the British one, but all others as well.