Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

Mmm less than 1% of the population in any area. Not exactly a popular demand then.

The petition has only been active for one day, so far.

Please go and peddle your opinions where they are asked for.

I seem to have missed this in the Gransnet guidelines. What a strange comment to make in a forum.

Please peddle your opinions on the matter, Blossoming? I am asking for them. This thread would be as good a place as any .

Esspee

I have signed and am totally sick of gransnet being taken over by those who think that anyone born a male or female can opt to change that. It is biologically impossible. Let's get back to the real world.

This thread was NOT started by

'those who think anyone born a male or a femal can opt to change that'

was it? au contraire. So who is taking over gransnet with their opinions?

Some of us have countered that we would not sign and politely gave reasons why. Why are ou accusing us of 'taking over?'

Personally I am happy to discuss the issues, try to be polite, give arguments, ideas, povs. But I do wonder why some object so much to the concept of choice. How does it affect you that much? How does it change your life? What is your horse in this race?

My last comment on this thread will be to share this beautiful song. In Spanish... about a daughter who is singing about her father-mother. Her total acceptance and support for the father who gave her a good life, until he decided that he truly wanted to be a woman. Carolina has two mothers now- and she is totally accepting of that. Why does it bother YOU?

youtu.be/egxfuVHszaY

It doesn’t bother me. Why would it?

This petition is about accepting or not accepting anyone who is trans Fleur.

We are often told that 'gender critical' people are missing the point because sex & gender are two different things.

Yet no-one ever explains why a change of gender should also be treated as if it is a change of sex.

And I really don't understand why anyone objects to clarification of the law to say that the word 'sex' means biological sex.

Smileless2012

This petition is about accepting or not accepting anyone who is trans Fleur.

No it's not!

A typo, Smileless?

Fleurpepper

My last comment on this thread will be to share this beautiful song. In Spanish... about a daughter who is singing about her father-mother. Her total acceptance and support for the father who gave her a good life, until he decided that he truly wanted to be a woman. Carolina has two mothers now- and she is totally accepting of that. Why does it bother YOU?

youtu.be/egxfuVHszaY

It doesn't bother me either. You seem to be missing the point quite spectacularly, which always happens on these threads. They go something like this:

GC Posters - We are not transphobic, we just don't think that TWAW

TransAllies - But you want to deny transpeople their human rights!!!

GCPs - Not at all. We are supportive of transpeople - but we don't believe they can change sex. That does not impinge on their Human Rights.

TAs - But you generalise! You are prejudiced and that could lead to discrimination (or something similar but garbled).

GCPs - No. In fact we make a point of differentiating between TRAs and 'ordinary transpeople. We are happy for people to live their best lives however they see fit. It's just that it is impossible to change sex.

TAs - If you think that you must racist, anti-semitic and homophobic, and some of you probably eat babies.

GCPs - No. We really aren't, and we don't - some of us are vegetarian. But we can't pretend that TWAW, as it is impossible to change sex.

TAs - Racist, sexist, anti-semitic, discriminatory, prejudiced baby-eating TRANSPHOBES!!!!😡😡

I never said that this thread was started by those who believe that females can become males and vice versa. It has been hijacked, as so many threads these days are, by those who are preoccupied with the idea that sex can be changed.
Fortunately I don't have a horse in this race. I was trained as a scientist but common sense is quite enough. Boys are boys and girls are girls. You may choose to live as whatever you fancy but you can't change biology.

Doodledog, what a superb summary.

oops yes I missed out the word not. This petition is not about accepting or not accepting anyone who is trans. Thanks FarNorth for pointing out my typo.

Another great post Doodledog.

Esspee

I never said that this thread was started by those who believe that females can become males and vice versa. It has been hijacked, as so many threads these days are, by those who are preoccupied with the idea that sex can be changed.
Fortunately I don't have a horse in this race. I was trained as a scientist but common sense is quite enough. Boys are boys and girls are girls. You may choose to live as whatever you fancy but you can't change biology.

Read it again, please.

Yes, spectacularly wrong.

Lol no

Fleurpepper
My last comment on this thread . . .

Was that a typo too?

FarNorth

We are often told that 'gender critical' people are missing the point because sex & gender are two different things.

Yet no-one ever explains why a change of gender should also be treated as if it is a change of sex.

And I really don't understand why anyone objects to clarification of the law to say that the word 'sex' means biological sex.

I agree.

The Equality Act used the term sex to denote biological sex. It has helped women not be discriminated against because they were born female. Some organisations have taken it upon themselves to substitute the word 'gender' instead of sex when listing these, intentionally in many cases to cause confusion. This is why there is this petition to clarify that it means biological sex. Women weren't denied the vote because they wore dresses, they were denied the vote because of their natal sex. Putting on a shirt and trousers didn't magically allow them to vote, their sex hadn't changed.

Transgender people are covered by the gender reassignment element. It is not about accepting or not accepting transgender people.

Yes excellent post Doodledog

Excellent post Doodledog

Over 20,000 signatures on the petition, at the end of its first full day.

growstuff

Esspee

I have signed and am totally sick of gransnet being taken over by those who think that anyone born a male or female can opt to change that. It is biologically impossible. Let's get back to the real world.

Suits me! Just how many threads have there been on trans issues? It would appear those who are obsessed by the topic are the ones taking over GN.

I can only agree growstuff. On, and on, and on, and on.

Why then do you take part in them DaisyAnne and growstuff. Without your contributions the thread would have died very quickly.

The stupidity of it is I neither agree nor disagree. I don't believe any "opinion" simply becomes a truth because it is somebody believes they know the truth.

So, I will wait and find out just what conclusions those who are much, much more knowledgeable than me and all the posting Gransnetters, come to. It could be years.

However, I do not accept bullying wherever it comes from.

I can only agree growstuff. On, and on, and on, and on.

A bit like the constant droning on and on and on and on about Brexit?