Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

M0nica

Why then do you take part in them DaisyAnne and growstuff. Without your contributions the thread would have died very quickly.

I don't usually. Look back at what I actually wrote on this thread. I was being bullied to give my reasons for not signing by being accused of being a misogynist and supporting male supremacy, which is totally ridiculous.

I contributed to the thread about the Princess Grace Hospital because I wanted to debunk all the myths which were flying around. Once such nonsense gets repeated, it becomes normalised.

In your world, are people just supposed to accept bullying without challenging it?

Mollygo

Fleurpepper
My last comment on this thread . . .

Was that a typo too?

lol, probably.

MadameChirac (is that you, really?)- there is one massive difference. My everyday life is not affected by Trans people, at all. The Country is not affected by trans people, neither is the economy. Unlike... well, the other.

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Signed.

Galaxy

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Rubish.

Galaxy

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Proportionately, there is no comparison, at all. But I wouldn't have even considered bringing Brexit into this discussion. It was not me that did it!

Do you think the women are lying? I did not mention Brexit.

But brilliant well thought through response daisyanne.

Laws tend to be made on the assumption that most people will not be impacted by the things being made illegal. They are there in the hope of preventing them from happening, and to make it clear that certain behaviour is undesirable.

My everyday life is not impacted by drug dealing, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about County Lines or addicts on the streets.

We seem to have gone down another rabbit hole - in and out of all the phobias to Brexit via bullying . The bottom line remains the same though - sex and gender are not the same thing, and changing sex is not possible.

DaisyAnne

Galaxy
Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I don't care about them.

Rubish. Really?

Mine life has been impacted by TW in female spaces. How did I know he was a male? He made it quite obvious. ( Like most TIM , he still had a penis, just in case you weren’t sure about that.)
In addition, females, with whom I am closely acquainted , on a mental health ward, where some were already traumatised by males were told by nursing staff that the TIM walking round with his gown open at the front could not be removed as they would be accused of homophobia.

Then, my DGD was deprived of a medal at a gala because a cheating male was allowed to enter a girl’s race. Thankfully that has been disallowed.

I know, you and others have made it clear that because there aren’t what you see as enough of these events, the rights and needs of females are less important than your support of all trans.

This support, not of transpeople, which has not been an issue for me, or any of the posters I’ve read, but of the actions of TIM like those mentioned frequently on threads like this, means that many more females will be impacted.

At what level of impact on females by the ill-intentioned TIM, would you consider that their behaviour should be checked?

Most shoppers don't shoplift, but everyone accepts that shops take precautions because of those who do.

Most airline passengers aren't terrorists, but everyone accepts that airlines take precautions because of those who are.

Most men cause no problem to anyone but everyone accepts that at least some precautions are necessary because of those who do.

Most trans people cause no problem to anyone but everyone accepts..... hmm, yes, it falls apart a bit there.

Btw, it's really nice when someone pops in, undeterred by the bickering, to say "Signed".

There are almost 22,000 signatures now, most of them from GN, I expect

Today 23:28 FarNorth
I’ll sleep better for reading that post.
Thank you.
Also, I’ve distributed the link amongst family, friends and colleagues, though I obviously don’t know if all will sign.
I’ve had several responses thanking me for raising awareness that that actually needs doing.

Thank you Mollygo

22,002.

What about people who are born intersex with characteristics of both biological sexes?

People with DSDs are a minute percentage of the population, are nothing to do with trans ideology and don't affect the need for clear legislation to say 'sex' means biological sex not gender identity.
They are not an excuse for men to claim they are women - such as this man, in the news recently. Luckily for women prisoners, he hasn't been jailed with them.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/woman-who-hurled-pizza-skateboard-28389177

People with dsds are still either Male or female not some magical third sex. There is quite a bit of information out there by people with a dsd which explains this.

Mollygo

DaisyAnne

Galaxy
Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I don't care about them.

Rubish. Really?

Mine life has been impacted by TW in female spaces. How did I know he was a male? He made it quite obvious. ( Like most TIM , he still had a penis, just in case you weren’t sure about that.)
In addition, females, with whom I am closely acquainted , on a mental health ward, where some were already traumatised by males were told by nursing staff that the TIM walking round with his gown open at the front could not be removed as they would be accused of homophobia.

Then, my DGD was deprived of a medal at a gala because a cheating male was allowed to enter a girl’s race. Thankfully that has been disallowed.

I know, you and others have made it clear that because there aren’t what you see as enough of these events, the rights and needs of females are less important than your support of all trans.

This support, not of transpeople, which has not been an issue for me, or any of the posters I’ve read, but of the actions of TIM like those mentioned frequently on threads like this, means that many more females will be impacted.

At what level of impact on females by the ill-intentioned TIM, would you consider that their behaviour should be checked?

I'm not going to go through all the bias in that, but it is more about how all people behave.

I don't believe the half of it. If someone, whatever sex, is behaving inappropriately in any ward they could be removed.

This is a difficult issue - for everyone. But I am sure that, just as we got used to the earth not being flat and developed an understanding with appropriate new rules and laws that apply to everyone, we will with this.

I view believing you can change sex in exactly the same way as I view the belief the earth is flat.
It is about how men behave unfortunately and the differences between offending rates between men and women. The law already exists with regard to single sex spaces, women are just trying to ensure that law is applied.

^ If someone, whatever sex, is behaving inappropriately in any ward they could be removed.^

So, no problem with male transwomen being in male wards then.

Bearing in mind that to 'be a transwoman' a man only has to say he is one - and he may only have made that momentous decision on his way to the hospital.

Mollygo's post was talking about her personal experiences so I don't agree that it's bias DaisyAnne and as for you not believing the half it, why not?

Of course anyone behaving inappropriately in a ward can be removed but Mollygo didn't say the incident happened on a ward, it happened in a female space.

If someone, whatever sex, is behaving inappropriately in any ward they could be removed. are you unaware of the woman who was raped on an NHS female ward by a transwoman complete with functioning penis? The hospital lied and denied for a year that the rape had happened because "there were no men on that ward" despite CCTV and witnesses. So they added gaslighting to this woman's suffering. Accommodating a man's 'feelings' counted for more than a rape victim.

Questionnaires have three tick boxes for sex. M, F , not saying.

Quite rightly so!

Baroness Nicholson, who spoke in the House of Lords about that incident, has said that she has received many letters about similar things happening.
It is not an uncommon thing.