Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Bill to be debated today 20 Dec & voted on 21 Dec

Brilliant Mollygo.

I'm an old person with body dysmorphia. I regret that my body is misshapen and hairless compared with how it used to be. Should I demand plastic surgery or chemical intervention?

An article from Jo Bartosch on the progress made in 2022, on women's rights .

www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/26/three-cheers-for-terf-island/?fbclid=IwAR2fLUyjHwDII3wlSt8nxf8gCUvgugjVdNBWuGrr7KEilZfmq50HRsUqkJ0

"As 2022 draws to a close, it’s time to raise a glass of eggnog to these no-nonsense middle-aged women speaking truth to power. Over the past 12 months, these Amazonians in sensible shoes have shone a light on the activities of trans lobby groups in courtrooms, workplaces and the public square. And thanks to their efforts, the era of ‘no debate’ on the trans issue has melted into a grubby puddle."

Caleo you have to go the whole hog and demand that everyone believe you are 21.
(Don't mention it to anyone paying you a pension, tho)

Oreo

Dickens may I call you Charles?😄
I agree with you 100% btw
I think some men think they can be anything and do anything and get away with it,

... Charles, Charlie, Charlotte, Carl - whatever!

I think some men think they can be anything and do anything and get away with it.

They can. And they do. Because debate is transphobic. People have lost their jobs through questioning the issues involved. You can ask that there is a safe space or place for vulnerable women and girls who have been violated by a man - at the moment.

Will debate and safe spaces eventually be outlawed? Who knows.

Far North wrote:

"Caleo you have to go the whole hog and demand that everyone believe you are 21.
(Don't mention it to anyone paying you a pension, tho)"

This is the thing! If you change into a woman, how will that advantage you socially or financially? After all, it's hard to believe anyone goes to all that trouble of sex change
only to have fun with make up and pretty dresses.

Gender is a piece of nonsense unless you are a Taliban. In a free country you can behave how you like as long as it's legal.

For instance if I so desired I, at the age of 91, may do any behaviour I desire , even if the world think I am not acting my age.

The latest on the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill -

"The Scottish government said: “The bill as passed is within legislative competence and was backed by an overwhelming majority, with support from all parties. Any attempt to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish parliament will be vigorously contested.”"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9864f1e4-8ea9-11ed-a321-77184a1c82e4?shareToken=fedb2f17dc4142cf25b5e9d79d49d457&fbclid=IwAR1Sq7HsjB-aV9lfg0L1iPqhAJ5Un50GCmrb499Qd_VlaJbxJNasU_NHh58
(No paywall)

MSPs voted on an amendment to the Bill, to prohibit sex offenders from gaining a GRC.

Most Tory MSPs, most Labour MSPs and a few SNP MSPs defying the SNP whip, voted for that amendment.
The rest voted against it and the amendment was defeated, meaning that the Scottish Parliament has voted in favour of male sex offenders being able to obtain a 'legal sex' of 'female'.

Here is one woman's account of being in Parliament and hearing that decision.

womenvotingwithourfeet.wordpress.com/2022/12/29/shame-belongs-to-parliament-not-protestors/?fbclid=IwAR3KLa7-2c2BR0tueV91YaAXa7LXlRnGiuaYzpDdw-3BRxEwEM2npdmRpQc

"In June 2022, I volunteered my time to speak to the committee about how self-ID has and will continue to negatively impact upon me as a survivor. It was not an easy offer to make, no less because, in June 2022, I was also due in the sheriff court to face my rapist, already a convicted sex offender."

There's a poll within that Times article . Here's how it's going so far.

The Westminster Labour Party should also take note of that poll, given Starmer's disgraceful support for it. It has the potential to lose them the next GE after all.

I think the countries going daft, Changing sex on demand, just listening to these people is astounding never mind government considering it. Women and children in refuges escaping violent partners they wont be safe for a start. It’s all very creepy. If Keir Starmer supports it, well I hope Labour think it’s worth losing an election when it comes.

I read yesterday that Rishi Sunak's preparing to block the bill. Fingers crossed.

Sunak is considering it, not preparing to block it.

If his government does block it, prepare yourselves for an almighty constitutional crisis.

Any thoughts among posters about the demonstrations outside Holyrood the other day where trans supporters were called paedophiles and child molesters and somebody had a banner asking Sturgeon if she liked anal? Is that what passes for considered political debate these days?

There are protesters who go too far with insults and placards on both sides.
The fact that the amendment that wanted to exclude sex offenders was thrown out as FarNorth details in her above post led to the taunts about paedophiles I guess.
How that amendment was defeated is just mind boggling.

I find that this is a Gransnet thing.

"Well they started it! And they're just as bad"

That isn't an excuse and often isn't true either. Calling people paedophiles and asking for them to be arrested is rarely justified, if the person isn't a paedophile.

A paedophile who had been convicted could now decide to change gender easily.This would make him both less threatening for any future victims and allow him to access women’s spaces such as changing rooms and a women’s prison if convicted again.Is this right?!

No.

But never mind.

Also, it was dumb to change the age down to 16, that amendment should have been accepted. 16 is far too young.

But I do mind, and so do the majority of women.

You might think so, that's your opinion.

Even if all those things were true, it doesn't justify calling trans people "pedeophiles" just because they are trans.

The majority of women? Really? Have you asked them?

The majority of people probably think we should have the death penalty; that doesn't make it right.

I strongly doubt the death sentence claim these days.
I don’t comment on issues to get into the barneys that you seem to enjoy on every subject on every thread.You like to be different, I get it.This subject is too important for women to be on the fence about or to side with the trans lobby, so yes, on balance I bet the majority of women are unhappy about it.

^ This subject is too important for women to be on the fence about or to side with the trans lobby ^

That's just a ridiculous thing to say.

Anyway. Do you live in Scotland Oreo? Anybody has a right to comment on anything, of course. But I don't comment on decisions made by the Welsh Parliament, for instance, because its none of my business. I'm pretty fed up with people who are living in another country holding forth about laws that are made in mine. Disagree with them if you like, but when push come to shove, you don't get a say.

And if you think that people disagree with you on important matters "just to be different", I feel sorry for you. We can do without the personal attacks, thanks.

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I don’t have to live in Scotland to have my say on this subject thanks.I don’t want the government here to repeat the mistake that’s just been dumped on the Scottish people.

As to snap polls on the death sentence, depends on the group polled and who is holding it. Opinion polls aren’t the same as a referendum. Either way, it will never be up to the population to decide on this.

See, this is what gets me...

We have a democratically elected Parliament, where all but one party (I think) supported the introduction of a bill, but the people who disagree rant about it outside the Parliament engaging in what is essentially hate speech, or aggressively show off their home made "wigs" in Parliament when schoolchildren are present.

Nothings been "dumped on us"; it passed through Parliament and got the support of a majority of MSPs, and no amount of people saying "I don't want it though" is going to change that. No amount of rUK politicians telling Scottish politicians what to do is going to change that either.

So when I see in other places, people saying things like "oh don't worry, women of Scotland, we'll support you. How awful for you to have to live there" I just wonder if they know how patronising they are being.

But if it gets cancelled by the UK Parliament, we'll know where we stand, won't we?