Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Bill to be debated today 20 Dec & voted on 21 Dec

It is, as that woman said, a Big Lie that men can be women.
If the tactic was originated by Hitler, why shouldn't she say so?

As you volver can't know if that woman is on this thread, it would have been helpful if you'd made clear what you meant.
Perhaps your slightly confusing style of posting causes some of the problems in this thread.

if they affect anyone here in England, and they will, as hundreds of these certificates will be handed out and people move about

And I'm pretty sure that a lot of the movement will be 'GRC tourism' of people coming to Scotland for long enough to get the vital piece of paper then returning to England or Wales to demand their 'rights'.

By the way, Kellie-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker has no input at all into what is said by speakers at her events.
The whole point is to create an opportunity for anyone who wishes to say something about women's rights, children's rights and the changes happening because of transactivists' demands.
It's surprising how many different takes there can be, on those topics.

It's strange that trans supporters choose to simply shout slogans and threats, at these events, rather than simply mosey up and speak some coherent words on their viewpoint.
The police at Newcastle did an excellent job of keeping the shouting mob far away from the speakers, incidentally, which was a nice change from some previous events in other places.

The tactic of telling big lies wasn't originated by Hitler, it was a piece of anti-Jewish propaganda that he initiated and used to justify his actions.

Bit of history education needed here, maybe.

(It's analogous to that thing they say about car crashes here. I can't look away.)

what’s decided in Holyrood is for you holy writ.

No, what's decided at Holyrood is law. That's how it works. 🤷🏼

You cant answer the sex segregated questions because there is no answer.

So why do they keep being asked then? It wouldn't be to show people up, would it?

volver

^You cant answer the sex segregated questions because there is no answer.^

So why do they keep being asked then? It wouldn't be to show people up, would it?

Oh you'd be shown up if you answered those and other questions? Confirms what I thought!

volver

^what’s decided in Holyrood is for you holy writ.^

No, what's decided at Holyrood is law. That's how it works. 🤷🏼

Holy writ in that you seem to agree with any laws made in Scotland.
Don’t you care anything for the rights of women? Seems you’re in good company with Holyrood then.

No I am not interested in showing people up. I am interested in showing the failings in safeguarding in terms of men accessing womens spaces.

BBC website is saying that Westminster is going to block this bill using a Section 35 order.

Well that's us put in our place then.

Have your devolution, but only if you do what we tell you.

What a disgrace.

Excellent move Rishi.

This Bill, whether you agree with it or not, was decided by the majority of the Scottish Parliament, including Labour etc. Most of the parties voted yes. It wasnt an SNP vote only. The decision by Sunak et al to block it, is a retrograde step and has angered many in the Scottish Parliament, not just SNP.

This bill was rushed through the Scottish Parliament without due attention to consequences and lots of questions were not allowed the time to be safely debated.

Six years Bridie22. Six Years.

But that's irrelevant. What the Westminster government is saying is that they can stop the Scottish Government passing laws if it doesn't like them.

Grandmabatty

This Bill, whether you agree with it or not, was decided by the majority of the Scottish Parliament, including Labour etc. Most of the parties voted yes. It wasnt an SNP vote only. The decision by Sunak et al to block it, is a retrograde step and has angered many in the Scottish Parliament, not just SNP.

It’s because it will affect the whole UK.

Bridie22

Excellent move Rishi.

Yup, tories doing something right.

I think it is a good thing that it has been blocked, and I know that Scottish friends of mine are extremely relieved, but it's by no means an all-round good thing that Westminster has blocked a SP law. I think it was an ill-conceived law, based on cliched and unfounded tropes that are never backed up with facts or stats, (ie that transpeople are 'the most marginalised and vulnerable group in society') but this is going to do nothing to help relations between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

One good thing is that there does seem to be a thawing of the refusal of the media to discuss the matter. India Willoughby and Helen Joyce were on Good Morning Britain this morning, Laura Kuenssberg discussed it with Keir Starmer on Sunday, and Politics Live covered the story too. Even Jeremy Vine has touched on the topic, although of course he's left it to panel members to put their necks on the line. Until recently it has seemed as though everyone was scared to do anything but mutter about 'most marginalised and most vulnerable' or that 'it's complex', so it's good to see at least some of the fear of being accused of transphobia for asking questions might be lifting.

Not Rishi; Alister.

Try to keep up.

Yes thatscexactly what they are saying, and I for one are pleased they are challenging this law.

this is going to do nothing to help relations between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

No s***, Sherlock.

Who is your comment aimed at volver ,rishi is giving the go ahead to Allister , keep up !

Think the majority of Scottish biological women will be pleased its being challenged.

Alister (one "l") is the one who decides.

He doesn't need a go ahead from Rishi.

I bow to your superior knowledge, but no challenge without Rishi input !