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Harry has admitted to killing 25 people in Afghanistan.

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Sago Thu 05-Jan-23 16:13:42

Astonishing that he has announced this.
He has now put his wife, children and himself at serious risk not to mention all the other implications.

He is a silly immature and dangerous man.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 07-Jan-23 10:41:49

I’m sure we all knew already that H had killed in Afghanistan, volver. I remember him being interviewed after his return, being asked the question and giving a rather fudged response. It’s what our armed forces are trained to do and I find nothing shocking about it, nor should anyone else. H flew an Apache gunship - the clue’s in the name. Those taken to court for killing during war acted outside the rules of engagement and there’s no suggestion that H acted illegally. Of course he won’t be prosecuted. I do however find it shocking that someone in his position, a senior if non-working member of the RF, should be so utterly stupid as to include it in his wretched booky wooky. The targets on his back and those of his family carry a far greater prize than those on the backs of soldiers of far lesser profile who choose to publicise what they did (unwisely imo).

Thanks for the welcome back!

Rosina Sat 07-Jan-23 10:49:32

If Harry was concerned about security, I am left amazed at his revelations. This book - ghost written it seems - has had to pass scrutiny by said writer, editors, publishers, and yet it would appear nobody has taken him to one side and reminded him that the Taliban promised to send him back to his Grandmother piece by piece when he entered the war zone. Salman Rushdie, after all these years, has finally paid the price for his writings, having aggravated incredibly sensitive and fanatical people of the race that he was born into. Perhaps on reflection he should have known better. Harry certainly should - and how will these outpourings affect him, his wife and above all his innocent children and their future?

Rosina Sat 07-Jan-23 10:50:33

Faith, not race.

volver Sat 07-Jan-23 10:55:37

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure we all knew already that H had killed in Afghanistan, volver. I remember him being interviewed after his return, being asked the question and giving a rather fudged response. It’s what our armed forces are trained to do and I find nothing shocking about it, nor should anyone else. H flew an Apache gunship - the clue’s in the name. Those taken to court for killing during war acted outside the rules of engagement and there’s no suggestion that H acted illegally. Of course he won’t be prosecuted. I do however find it shocking that someone in his position, a senior if non-working member of the RF, should be so utterly stupid as to include it in his wretched booky wooky. The targets on his back and those of his family carry a far greater prize than those on the backs of soldiers of far lesser profile who choose to publicise what they did (unwisely imo).

Thanks for the welcome back!

But there have been two posters today wondering if he'll be prosecuted GSM.

I've got this theory now, that people can feel free to disagree with of course. Many of those shouting loudly about the betrayal of the royal family, and how bad all the things are that M&H say, don't actually have a scooby about how the world works.

Witzend Sat 07-Jan-23 11:04:15

MerylStreep

Who’s to advise Harry? He’s surrounded himself with F@&kwits.

He’s surrounded himself with people bent on making loadsamoney out of him, more like.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 07-Jan-23 11:06:54

I wouldn’t disagree with your theory volver - and posters suggesting that H may be prosecuted tend to prove it.

Smileless2012 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:13:18

I think you'll find if you read the posts volver that some are wondering if he'll be prosecuted for saying how many he killed, not for the fact that he did kill.

Callistemon21 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:18:38

But there have been two posters today wondering if he'll be prosecuted GSM.

My mistake for wondering if it was possible after another poster queried this.

"The Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Act 2021 (“the Act”) received Royal Assent on 29 April 2021 and its substantive provisions came into force on 30 June 2021"

Callistemon21 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:21:34

It certainly was possible until the Bill received Royal Assent.

Rosina Sat 07-Jan-23 11:22:31

What would the charge be? My own dear Father, almost at the end of his life, told me that he knew he had killed several Germans as a gunner at El Alemein - this had weighed so heavily on him and, like the majority, he had never uttered a word about it until he sensed the end was coming. Has a soldier ever been prosecuted for saying he has killed x number of 'the enemy'? This is a strange suggestion, and how far reaching would it be for those who have been in conflict?

volver Sat 07-Jan-23 11:22:37

Smileless2012

I think you'll find if you read the posts volver that some are wondering if he'll be prosecuted for saying how many he killed, not for the fact that he did kill.

Oh, right, of course.

You're entitled to disagree with my theory. I said so. This is all perfectly rational.

Could just help the military personnel who are facing court over past shootings. Harry, having admitted killing 25, might just have to answer in court.

volver Sat 07-Jan-23 11:24:23

Smileless2012

I think you'll find if you read the posts volver that some are wondering if he'll be prosecuted for saying how many he killed, not for the fact that he did kill.

They'll have to have that chap who used a long range weapon then.

And as for that Gurkha....

OnwardandUpward Sat 07-Jan-23 11:33:11

Idiot.

It was probably a given that he had killed, but nobody wants to hear the specifics. Man, its a war, that was someone's family member. Come on Harry, what were you thinking? (well I suppose you weren't thinking at all) Tr engaging your brain when you open your mouth. Life will be a lot easier for you then!

Callistemon21 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:35:53

Rosina

What would the charge be? My own dear Father, almost at the end of his life, told me that he knew he had killed several Germans as a gunner at El Alemein - this had weighed so heavily on him and, like the majority, he had never uttered a word about it until he sensed the end was coming. Has a soldier ever been prosecuted for saying he has killed x number of 'the enemy'? This is a strange suggestion, and how far reaching would it be for those who have been in conflict?

Yes and enquiries are still ongoing into events in Afghanistan.

The fact that the Taliban says these were 'family men' could give a hint that they could claim they were civilians, not soldiers.

volver Sat 07-Jan-23 11:38:13

Idiot.

I'll assume you don't mean me OnwardandUpward.

Katie59 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:48:53

There is no likely hood of him being prosecuted for following orders and harming the enemy, that’s what soldiers do, it’s totally different to deliberately harming civilians or captured enemy combatants.

He described them as “chess pieces” unless you do that you cant pull the trigger, warfare has come a long way from hand to hand combat, to drones piloted thousands of miles away

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Jan-23 11:59:00

Callistemon21

Rosina

What would the charge be? My own dear Father, almost at the end of his life, told me that he knew he had killed several Germans as a gunner at El Alemein - this had weighed so heavily on him and, like the majority, he had never uttered a word about it until he sensed the end was coming. Has a soldier ever been prosecuted for saying he has killed x number of 'the enemy'? This is a strange suggestion, and how far reaching would it be for those who have been in conflict?

Yes and enquiries are still ongoing into events in Afghanistan.

The fact that the Taliban says these were 'family men' could give a hint that they could claim they were civilians, not soldiers.

You do know that being a family man is not a bar to being in the forces.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Jan-23 12:00:48

Oops posted to soon.

Aah the Taliban, those good upstanding folks?

Zoejory Sat 07-Jan-23 12:02:14

Of course he won't be prosecuted.

Personally I think the interviews this weekend should not be shown.

He's in need of support from someone or something else. He loves his wife which is charming. But he has been let down.

Allegedly he tried to pull the book.

I feel sad about the whole debacle. And all the people he's dragged down with him. Courtney Cox? The horse woman's photo splashed all over his favourite news outlet? Charles and his Teddy bear. Kate. It just goes on and on and he's being mocked left, right and centre.

Very sad for his children as well.

Callistemon21 Sat 07-Jan-23 12:02:42

I know that, you know that GrannyGravy13, as they were presumably in an Army.

But some enquiries are still ongoing as I'm sure you know.

OnwardandUpward Sat 07-Jan-23 12:10:20

volver

Idiot.

I'll assume you don't mean me OnwardandUpward.

No of course not Volver , sorry if you thought so. flowers I meant Harry is an idiot.

OnwardandUpward Sat 07-Jan-23 12:12:02

Seeing people as chess pieces, that dehumanisation , that's how people are ok with killing other people.

Its how my son is ok with being cruel to me after I got the vaccine. He believes we all became Transhuman, the enemy.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Jan-23 12:20:47

Callistemon21

I know that, you know that GrannyGravy13, as they were presumably in an Army.

But some enquiries are still ongoing as I'm sure you know.

I have just re read my post.

Apologies if it sounded harsh.

I just have little respect for anything the Taliban say or do as they have no respect for women, or anyone that gets in the way of their drug cultivation and sales.

volver Sat 07-Jan-23 12:32:05

OnwardandUpward

volver

Idiot.

I'll assume you don't mean me OnwardandUpward.

No of course not Volver , sorry if you thought so. flowers I meant Harry is an idiot.

Thank you OnwardandUpward

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 07-Jan-23 12:42:43

Dehumanising the enemy target is a well known way of managing what you are paid to do in the armed forces. But if you have any sense, and particularly if you have the added responsibilities of a family and of being the monarch’s son, you don’t refer to the enemy as chess pieces in print years later.