A certain book

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED

Not QED. Have you been to Cyprus, Glorianny? Even if not, surely you remember more recent history?

The present situation with access to beaches in Cyprus has nothing to do with historical colonialism.

tickingbird

^You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.^

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

Sparklefizz

JenniferEccles Now we all know that children can be very cruel, but there was absolutely no need for him to, effectively, still be taunting this poor woman by rehashing it all in his book. He’s a grown man for god’s sake.
Even if he changed the name, from the description of her problems, I’m sure the matron would recognise herself.

That is indeed shocking and downright unpleasant.

How is fair that Harry, as a grown man, can cruelly mock a person in that manner in his book, yet get upset and offended when people make comments about his wife? It works both ways.

Not in Harry's world Joseanne 'do as I say and not as I do' springs to mind.

This is why I am interested by what people think the book tells us of the ethos of the schools concerned at the time.
Interesting question Mamie. As I see it, any school can only work with the material it is given and very often there is a contingent of silly adolescent boys with their own dodgy preoccupations. (These days often worse than what Harry did, though inexcusable).

What I think people are getting at is that leaving a school at 13 and coming out with this appalling stuff 25 (?) years later means Harry really is spiteful or unhinged. I don't think the school's ethos can be called into question.

Joseanne

Sparklefizz

JenniferEccles Now we all know that children can be very cruel, but there was absolutely no need for him to, effectively, still be taunting this poor woman by rehashing it all in his book. He’s a grown man for god’s sake.
Even if he changed the name, from the description of her problems, I’m sure the matron would recognise herself.

That is indeed shocking and downright unpleasant.

How is fair that Harry, as a grown man, can cruelly mock a person in that manner in his book, yet get upset and offended when people make comments about his wife? It works both ways.

Joseanne, It's decidedly not fair.

Earning to support family need not be cruel, factual should be enough.

Joseanne

^This is why I am interested by what people think the book tells us of the ethos of the schools concerned at the time.^
Interesting question Mamie. As I see it, any school can only work with the material it is given and very often there is a contingent of silly adolescent boys with their own dodgy preoccupations. (These days often worse than what Harry did, though inexcusable).

What I think people are getting at is that leaving a school at 13 and coming out with this appalling stuff 25 (?) years later means Harry really is spiteful or unhinged. I don't think the school's ethos can be called into question.

I don't think it's the school ethos. Teen boys are their own species, from what I've seen. It's down to AC actions when grown.

Teen boys are their own species

Glorianny

tickingbird

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

The article is from 2017, it clearly states that little had changed since Jamaica became an independent Country in 1962.

The Government could change if it wanted to, not sure that the U.K. can be held responsible for their beach situation.

(All beaches in Antigua along with St.Lucia are open to the public by the way)

It’s nothing whatsoever to do with the ethos of the school.
Some children from all types of school, state and private would think it amusing to mock a teacher if they had any physical abnormalities, especially if they are egged on by laughing friends.
The difference here is, like I and others have said, is that Harry saw fit to put this in his book, written when he was an adult.

What was the point of it?
Has he got so little self-awareness that he was unable to see how it would be received?

Have his thought processes been addled by years of drug taking?
I can’t think of any other explanation.

Don't forget Prince Willian and Prince Edward attended that prep school too, and to my knowledge they have not been indiscreet about teachers or matrons. Nor Alec Douglas Home etc etc. Harry appears to be the odd bod on this one.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

tickingbird

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

The article is from 2017, it clearly states that little had changed since Jamaica became an independent Country in 1962.

The Government could change if it wanted to, not sure that the U.K. can be held responsible for their beach situation.

(All beaches in Antigua along with St.Lucia are open to the public by the way)

Did you really read the article?

Struggles for access to Jamaica’s coastline are nothing new. Laws regarding rights to the coastline were passed in the Beach Control Act of 1956, a holdover from colonial times, when beaches were owned by the British Crown.

The Act, that remained in place until Jamaica got independence in 1962, did not give the island nation’s 2.7 million people legal right to beach access.

As well as campaigning, JET has been providing legal advice to vulnerable community-managed public beaches.

With JET’s help, the community-run Winnifred Beach in the northeast won a long legal fight to remain public in 2014, thwarting a resort development plan threatening to limit access.

For some, the roots of the policy go back to Jamaica’s history of slavery and colonization.

“That’s just the legacy of our history. The majority of the society wasn’t expected to enjoy the benefits of the society,” Cooper said

So a direct result of colonialism. It's much harder to make private property accessible than it is to privatise it.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

tickingbird

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

The article is from 2017, it clearly states that little had changed since Jamaica became an independent Country in 1962.

The Government could change if it wanted to, not sure that the U.K. can be held responsible for their beach situation.

(All beaches in Antigua along with St.Lucia are open to the public by the way)

Did you really read the article?

Struggles for access to Jamaica’s coastline are nothing new. Laws regarding rights to the coastline were passed in the Beach Control Act of 1956, a holdover from colonial times, when beaches were owned by the British Crown.

The Act, that remained in place until Jamaica got independence in 1962, did not give the island nation’s 2.7 million people legal right to beach access.

As well as campaigning, JET has been providing legal advice to vulnerable community-managed public beaches.

With JET’s help, the community-run Winnifred Beach in the northeast won a long legal fight to remain public in 2014, thwarting a resort development plan threatening to limit access.

For some, the roots of the policy go back to Jamaica’s history of slavery and colonization.

“That’s just the legacy of our history. The majority of the society wasn’t expected to enjoy the benefits of the society,” Cooper said

So a direct result of colonialism. It's much harder to make private property accessible than it is to privatise it.

Yes I read the article which is why I commented on it.

If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?

There are so many "dark" moments revealed in this book, but one of the worst ones is how Harry describes how he could have killed Charles but chose not to. It happened when Harry was instructing Typhoons on a military exercise, near Sandringham, before deployment in Afghanistan. Charles drives over to see Harry and tell him how proud he was of him and what a great job he was doing.
He goes on ;
" I loved seeing Pa, loved feeling his pride and I felt buoyed by his praise, but I had to get back to work. I was mid control, couldn't tell the Typhoon to please hold on a moment
Yes,yes, darling boy, back to work
He drove off. As he went down the track I told the Typhoon
New target. Grey Audi. Headed southeast from my position down track towards a big silver barn oriented east-west.
The Typhoon tracked Pa, did a low pass straight over him, nearly shattering the windows of his Audi.
But they ultimately spared him..... on my orders.
It went on to blow the silver barn to smithereens."

I really don't know what to make of this, so many questions.
Was Harry qualified to be " instructing" fighter jet pilots?
Did Charles almost get himself killed?
Why on earth would Harry put this in his book as if he is proud of choosing not to kill his father?
Is this all a fantasy?

If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?

No but then I didn't get my garden by exploiting and economically depriving a group of people. Nor does my garden provide access to a space that should be accessible to all (the sea).
If you don't appreciate ,or want to admit, to the economic harm done to Jamaica and its people by colonialism that's fine, but it is a recognised fact. And simply denying it doesn't change anything.

Good grief Normandygirl. I find it difficult to believe that H would be issuing orders to typhoon pilots. A nasty bit of fantasy from a deluded person I think.

I suspect it is a fantasy Normandygirl and a rather disturbing one at that.

Do you not think a school can do anything about the level of drug taking described at Eton Joseanne?
I would not be a happy parent.
The relevant chapters are quite a read.
Normsndygirl I agree that is an absolute wtf moment. 😮

Glorianny

^If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?^

No but then I didn't get my garden by exploiting and economically depriving a group of people. Nor does my garden provide access to a space that should be accessible to all (the sea).
If you don't appreciate ,or want to admit, to the economic harm done to Jamaica and its people by colonialism that's fine, but it is a recognised fact. And simply denying it doesn't change anything.

Just a quick Google gives results for 50 public beaches in Jamaica.

You do seem to be rather hung up on Colonialism, is it just the British ex colonies or those of other Countries?

Normandygirl PH seems to be a liar as well as a fantasist.

A British Typhoon pilot would have been court-martialed if they destroyed a barn on the orders of PH, as would PH himself.

Glorianny

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

So untrue. You should stop living on Google and get out and explore the world.

You’re stating the beaches I was on just a few years ago were dirty and unsafe! The actual reality is they were beautiful white sandy beaches with crystal clear waters. I used to sit chatting to Jamaicans day in, day out. Open access to all.

Germanshepherdsmum

Good grief Normandygirl. I find it difficult to believe that H would be issuing orders to typhoon pilots. A nasty bit of fantasy from a deluded person I think.

Seems safe to assume helicopter are not same to typhoons. I thought, from reading news, pilots were grouped into planes? Thus typhoons had a type of mission and helicopters another. Must be that I'm wrong.

You’re right Norah. H would not have been qualified to fly typhoons.

Living not far from USAAF and RAF bases, we see all manner of military planes here including Apaches and typhoons. Very different animals.