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Jacinda Ardern lets the side down

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vickymeldrew Thu 19-Jan-23 08:42:48

Disappointed that New Zealand’s Prime Minister has resigned saying she ‘doesn’t have enough left in the tank’.
My guess is that she wants to spend more time with her daughter but doesn’t like to admit it.

Joseanne Sun 22-Jan-23 08:33:41

Apparently people in NZ are blaming Jacinda for the economic crisis without remembering that this is going on all over the world. Maybe, as touched on by maddyonne in her last past, because New Zealand is so insular and remote cut off from the rest of the world, its people don't always see the bigger picture.
Here in the UK we blame Boris, Truss, Rishi or whoever for the economic crisis and the strikes, but we do not lose sight of the fact that across the channel Macron is dealing with exactly the same stuff, or that in Holland, say, inflation is going barmy.

Jumblygran Sun 22-Jan-23 21:26:52

As a New Zealander I can see that some of Labour's policies have made the international inflationary pressure worse, they have hugely increased government spending over and above the cost of the pandemic. I don't know anyone who is personally blaming Jacinda for our financial situation.
I would agree New Zealand is insular and parochial we are quite isolated.
Unfortunately our country has changed much in the last few years it has become a divided country with many people feeling like we are loosing our democracy. Which is something I think perhaps other countries are seeing also.
We have a media which was poor before the pandemic and now it is atrocious.
Our media has been bought by the government.
The Public Interest Journalism Fund, has been taken up by all our media and is received after agreeing to certain proviso's which are mostly to do with race based reporting.
We have a situation where if any one questions the agenda of the government publicly they are vilified by the press.
As regards to Jacinda she is thought of as authoritarian by those who don't like her. There are many who lost their jobs over vaccination mandates and the shutting down of our economy over COVID.
As I said in my previous post the Labour government campaigned on policies which they have been spectacular in their inability to deliver, admittedly there has been a pandemic to deal with. They have introduced policy and agenda which they didn't campaign on probably because they knew it would be unpopular.
But it is a lovely summer day here in NZ, I am sitting working at home, birds outside singing and grandchildren coming up for a swim later on. We have much to be thankful for.

Jacinda is going to have a rest and hopefully a nice holiday before Neve starts school which must be a good thing.

GrammarGrandma Mon 23-Jan-23 10:23:02

What a vile thing for the OP to say! She has given it her all and worked through a mass murder, the pandemic and various other things un anticipated when she took the job. And, yes, she had a baby too. Far from "letting the side down" she has shown the world an excellent model of how to be a compassionate and empathetic leader, which is much more exhausting than dialling in a performance and just enjoying the perks. Let the poor woman have a break.

Callistemon21 Mon 23-Jan-23 10:54:56

The OP already said it was the wrong choice of words and apologised.

vile is rather a strong word to use too.

Sparklefizz Mon 23-Jan-23 10:58:28

Jumblygran Thank you for your post clarifying the situation in NZ with your lived experience. I found it very interesting.

effalump Thu 26-Jan-23 12:45:30

Wow! So many people actually sound as though you think she's a good person. She was part of the WEF's Young Leaders for years. So was Trudeau in Canada (he'll be the next to resign) and many others is Cabinets arount the world. Klaus Schwab boasted about "have infiltrated most cabinets". Instead of watching Reality shows on tv, please do some serious research.

maddyone Fri 27-Jan-23 09:07:43

I’m not sure I understand what you mean effalump. Could you explain a little more please?

DaisyAnne Fri 27-Jan-23 09:36:46

effalump

Wow! So many people actually sound as though you think she's a good person. She was part of the WEF's Young Leaders for years. So was Trudeau in Canada (he'll be the next to resign) and many others is Cabinets arount the world. Klaus Schwab boasted about "have infiltrated most cabinets". Instead of watching Reality shows on tv, please do some serious research.

So difficult to guess your political bias from that "effalump" (Not!)

maddyone Fri 27-Jan-23 10:00:57

I really don’t understand effalump. Surely you don’t think Jacinda is a bad person? In my opinion she’s has done nothing to deserve that description. I realise that she’s become less popular at home, for all sorts of reasons but mainly because of inflation and disagreement about Covid policy, but that doesn’t in any way make her a bad person.

Mollygo Fri 27-Jan-23 10:48:02

Thank you Jumblygran. It’s interesting to read about NZ from a different point of view.
In the UK, much was made of JA’s ability to shut down the country, where we didn’t do it so strictly. Businesses closed here as well and our Government held responsible for that.
I hope she enjoys time with her daughter now.

Normandygirl Fri 27-Jan-23 11:19:44

Mollygo

Thank you Jumblygran. It’s interesting to read about NZ from a different point of view.
In the UK, much was made of JA’s ability to shut down the country, where we didn’t do it so strictly. Businesses closed here as well and our Government held responsible for that.
I hope she enjoys time with her daughter now.

A failed policy as it turns out. NZ and many other countries are now suffering the dire consequences of disastrous lockdown policies and mandates. Of course Ardern should accept the responsibility for that, no matter how "well intentioned" she was portrayed to be, to the rest of the world.

Mollygo Fri 27-Jan-23 12:38:57

Normandygirl, as you say,
NZ and many other countries are now suffering the dire consequences of disastrous lockdown policies and mandates.
I don’t understand the ‘should accept the responsibility’.
Nobody really knew what would work. Different countries’ media constantly posted how much better any other country was managing it.
We wanted BJ to accept the responsibility and resign. JA has done just that.

MayBee70 Fri 27-Jan-23 13:48:32

effalump

Wow! So many people actually sound as though you think she's a good person. She was part of the WEF's Young Leaders for years. So was Trudeau in Canada (he'll be the next to resign) and many others is Cabinets arount the world. Klaus Schwab boasted about "have infiltrated most cabinets". Instead of watching Reality shows on tv, please do some serious research.

On TRIP’s they said that Ardern , Trudeau and Macron are subject to far more online abuse than any other leaders. hmm.

foxie48 Fri 27-Jan-23 14:08:12

effalump

Wow! So many people actually sound as though you think she's a good person. She was part of the WEF's Young Leaders for years. So was Trudeau in Canada (he'll be the next to resign) and many others is Cabinets arount the world. Klaus Schwab boasted about "have infiltrated most cabinets". Instead of watching Reality shows on tv, please do some serious research.

Having done a little research I now know what the WEF is, who Klaus Schwab is and how he funded WEF. He seems like one of the good guys to me not the malign person that you seem to suggest. So perhaps it would be helpful to say what you post actually means

DaisyAnne Fri 27-Jan-23 16:39:12

Normandygirl

Mollygo

Thank you Jumblygran. It’s interesting to read about NZ from a different point of view.
In the UK, much was made of JA’s ability to shut down the country, where we didn’t do it so strictly. Businesses closed here as well and our Government held responsible for that.
I hope she enjoys time with her daughter now.

A failed policy as it turns out. NZ and many other countries are now suffering the dire consequences of disastrous lockdown policies and mandates. Of course Ardern should accept the responsibility for that, no matter how "well intentioned" she was portrayed to be, to the rest of the world.

Who says it's failed, Normandygirl?

I've just done a speculative search and this came up.

While growth is set to slow over 2023, Keall said the current strength in the economy suggests activity is proving exceedingly resilient. (14 Dec 2022)

All countries are set to slow in 2023. I do wonder how New Zealand will compare with, say, the UK. Resilient is not a word I would apply to our economy.

I think the "Keall" referred to is the technology editor and a senior business writer for the NZ Herald and I have know knowledge of that papers political leaning.

Jumblygran Sat 28-Jan-23 05:47:10

As I said earlier, I believe it is Jacinda’s authoritarian style and the policies which the Labour government have persued that has made her unpopular.
I am only partly talking about lockdowns although some people are angry about them and some lost their jobs through mandates.
I am talking about things like co-governance with Māori, this includes a seperate Māori health system, sharing the governing of bodies ie water, local government 50/50 with Māori and the interpretation of our treaty of Waitangi which was signed with Māori in 1840, afterwards the white governors behaved badly and much land was unfairly confiscated. Recently we have had a 25 year long treaty process of compensation which the population has been largely behind. The big concern is that there has been no discussion and anyone who wants to discuss the policies rationally is vilified and called racist by the media.
Most of us are feeling left behind by this direction especially since the Māori leaders are not going to be democratically elected, these are huge constitutional issues and no one is allowed to talk about it.

NZ Herald is traditionally fairly conservative they have taken money from the government and therefore not squeaky clean.
Our economy has slowed and business confidence is down, I am not so sure about the long term outlook.
I do know that they are saying inflation is entrenched.

Sparklefizz Sat 28-Jan-23 09:20:29

Your posts are very interesting Jumblygran. Thanks for sharing.