Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Galaxy

I have just read the transcript so I need to go back and listen but Yvette cooper is on radio 4 saying no to female prison for this rapist.

I watched her interview on GMB this morning and I was very impressed.

Feels like a slight shift in the labour party. Possibly.

volver

*Fleur20^
Well done Ms Sturgeon et al...
You must be SO proud of yourselves!
👏👏👏👏 .. . slow round of applause ...

What on God's green Earth has Sturgeon et al got to do with someone who committed rape in 2020 and is being sent to a women's prison under the terms of the law as it is just now.

Nothing- How can it possibly be anything to do with the First Minister of Scotland? I agree. There’s not really been to do anything since 2014.
She did/does absolutely nothing to stop that happening, even choosing not to stop a bill which makes it easier for those like Adam to self ID as a ‘woman’ and easier to demand a place in female prisons.
Since she acts as a facilitator by not using her power to stop something, it’s easy to understand why people hold Wee Nic responsible.

Breaking news- common sense at last!

A transgender rapist is to be moved from a woman’s jail, Nicola Sturgeon has announced
The First Minister said that Isla Bryson, who was convicted this week of raping two women, would not be in Cornton Vale women’s jail either “short-term or long-term “.
Bryson, 31, was taken to the women’s jail after being found guilty on Tuesday. Ms Sturgeon said that a risk assessment is currently being carried out
However, she confirmed that Bryson would not serve the sentence in Cornton Vale, less than 24 hours after her Justice Secretary said that ministers would not intervene.

pinkprincess

^wants all the surgery then nhs can give^

What a cheek with the present situation the NHS is in

wants all the surgery then nhs can give

But he'd soon stop laughing at everyone if he was taken at his word and surgery was performed asap.

Shelmis exactly this……the Emperor’s New Clothes.
I have zero tolerance for a few things this is one.

So... actually... it IS something to do with Ms Sturgeon.....

At last, not that he should have been there in the first place as anyone with any common sense should have known.

As you say Fleur it IS something to do with Ms Sturgeon.

So Mrs Kranky has had to back down 👏👏👏

My brother works as a “educator” in a prison, it’s medium risk so has a good proportion of sex offenders, they are the most manipulative group you can imagine. Their whole aim is to get “one up” on the system and get some kind if special advantage, declaring yourself trans is one way of doing that, a great many are just abusing the system.

It could be worth reminding ourselves that this ghastly rapist has done a great deal of reputational damage to the vast majority of transgender folk who just want to get on with their lives.

Apparently Nicola Sturgeon has said that he won't serve his sentence in a women's jail.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64413242

HousePlantQueen... I absolutely agree...

Sorry Maw - I got a newsflash on my phone and posted that in a break during the meeting I'm on. I should have read back, specially as I complain about people not reading the thread

Smileless2012

They have nothing to do with this particular case volver but everything to do with this ridiculous GRC Bill.

I think this is nothing to do with the gender recognition reform act, smileless
Can't say I know a lot about it but I definitely don't understand why you think this.

The gender recognition reform will allow people to update their birth or adoption certificate to their affirmed gender, to get married or form a civil partnership in their "new" gender, or update an existing marriage or civil partnership certificate and they will have their altered gender on their death certificate when they die.

There's no need for this to mean a person is to be imprisoned in accordance with their chosen gender.

Katie59 your brothers views are consistent with anyone I’ve known who worked with sex offenders.

or update an existing marriage or civil partnership certificate
this should absolutely not be possible without the consent of the other partner. Nobody should be reassigned to a heterosexual or homosexual relationship without their consent.

I think, like many here, that this one person is doing a lot of damage to the way ordinary transgender people who just want a quiet ordinary life are being seen.

It's very convenient that this person has suddenly (between charge and sentence) decided to change gender.

I think I read that about half of transfemales in Scottish prisons only decided to transition after being charged. Trying to manipulate the system at the expense of genuine transgender people. I’m not surprised really having worked with offenders in the past. Many of them will twist any legislation to their benefit especially if we make it easy for them. Any naivety needs to be ditched.

HousePlantQueen

It could be worth reminding ourselves that this ghastly rapist has done a great deal of reputational damage to the vast majority of transgender folk who just want to get on with their lives.

I thought the same.

Silvergirl

I think I read that about half of transfemales in Scottish prisons only decided to transition after being charged. Trying to manipulate the system at the expense of genuine transgender people. I’m not surprised really having worked with offenders in the past. Many of them will twist any legislation to their benefit especially if we make it easy for them. Any naivety needs to be ditched.

I'm assuming that as the new bill is not yet law, it is possible for this to happen anywhere in the UK. Does anyone know?

So legal recognition of change of gender doesn't make you a woman then - finally confirmed.

If this person were a woman 'they' wouldn't be going to a man's prison would they?

A rapist should do no reputation damage to transgender people trying to live their lives.

A trans rapist should do no reputational damage to transgender people trying to live their lives.

I think if you believe that you truly need to examine why.

I could link you to thousands of cases of mothers murdering their children... Does that do reputational damage to the vast majority of mothers just trying to live good lives?

We need safeguarding for all vulnerable groups because of harmful people this is true. The existence of harmful people is why safeguarding exists and why it is being put into place in many situations...

But what we don't do is see a whole demographic as having a tarnished reputation due to that harmful few... or there is a reason behind that that needs reflection

Now here’s the thing if you are a transwoman then mentally would you want to rape women?

I dont think it has any reputational damage to transwomen I think it's simply an example about why we need to segregate by sex. If a ginger haired man sexually assaults someone there is no reputational damage to ginger men, you just dont put the ginger haired Male in a female prison.