Lanzarote says it is fed up with having so many British tourists visiting the island - and wants FEWER UK holidaymakers!

The dislike of Brits was one of a few reasons I left Mallorca. As well as disliking living in a tourist hotspot.

Fleurpepper
In my experience of living in Bulgaria for some years I never heard a Bulgarian speak about the British as you claim.
The only people they really dislike are the Turks and the Russians. They don't like invaders.
But there again, the majority here haven't experienced what you claim to have witnessed, strange that, don't you think.

15:41Fleurpepper

Thanks for your explanation.

Fleurpepper

Well it is not really funny, so no, I am not.

But I would not have dared or even considered postint such a thread. USG did and asked for our 'thoughts'. Were we only supposed to post 'thoughts' that she would agree with?

No not all all Fleurpepper all discussion is welcome on this news item. It was in yesterday’s newspaper headlines - which is why I picked up on it.

What can I tell you? I was in Borovets, and the only clients at the Hotel were British. I can only tell you what I have witnessed. Even if you find it strange.

We also visited Sofia, and a Professor we had hosted in the past and was a wonderful person and friend. And were quite shocked at her attitude and comments towards Gipsies.

Casdon interesting that in the survey so many from the USA said they didn't know!
Quite puzzling to me.

Lack of a sense of humour,?

What, Fleurpepper* and me? 😁

Well, I certainly don't lack one and I'm sure FleurP can speak up for herself.

GagaJo

The dislike of Brits was one of a few reasons I left Mallorca. As well as disliking living in a tourist hotspot.

The dislike of Brits was one of a few reasons I left Mallorca
🤔
But I thought you lived in the UK, Gagajo?
That must make life very difficult if you dislike us all so much.

Perhaps I'm wrong, I sometimes am.

Lanzarote says it is fed up with having so many British tourists visiting the island - and wants FEWER UK holidaymakers!

www.canarianweekly.com/posts/Lanzarote-We-need-less-British-tourists

I'm glad you changed less to fewer, Urmstongran! Pedantry, I know, but it is irritating.

The message I'm receiving from that is that Lanzarote considers itself to be downmarket, out-dated and the hotels need a lot of refurbishment.
I must admit that we haven't been for several years so it may have become a bit of a dump in the meantime. There were no high rise apart from one hotel which had had a fire.

I think it's sad because César Manrique worked hard to make sure the island didn't become another Tenerife.

We didn't think it was particularly upmarket when we went there - just more authentic than some other tourist places in Spain and very interesting if you hired a car and toured out-of- the way places (it didn't take long).

However, the downside the first time we went was touts in the street trying to sell timeshares, targeting our then very young DD. Unfortunately, although people paid out money upfront, those timeshares were never built or left unfinished.
A get rich quick culture prevailed there.

Do we blame the British for this or those from there who wanted to encourage tourism and money at the expense of César Manrique's dream?

Perhaps they'll achieve their aims but they obviously have a long way to go to achieve them.

Can't speak for Gagajo, but Brits at home and Brits on cheap holidays, can be VERY different people. At home you can also pick where you live as you know the area.

One DD lived in one of the Spanish Island and she said hardly any of the Brits there spoke enough Spanish to get by, and just shouted louder and louder in English. Some of them had been there for donkeys years.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

The dislike of Brits was one of a few reasons I left Mallorca. As well as disliking living in a tourist hotspot.

The dislike of Brits was one of a few reasons I left Mallorca
🤔
But I thought you lived in the UK, Gagajo?
That must make life very difficult if you dislike us all so much.

Perhaps I'm wrong, I sometimes am.

No, the dislike of the Mallorcan people towards Brits. The people I worked with were OK. They chose to work in a British school so couldn't really complain about other staff being British. But the islanders in general being anti-Brit was hard, considering I lived there. So it just became another reason to want to leave. The immigrant experience I suppose but I was lucky enough to have other options open to me.

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Callistemon21

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Same attitude foreigners here face I suppose.

Fleurpepper

Can't speak for Gagajo, but Brits at home and Brits on cheap holidays, can be VERY different people. At home you can also pick where you live as you know the area.

One DD lived in one of the Spanish Island and she said hardly any of the Brits there spoke enough Spanish to get by, and just shouted louder and louder in English. Some of them had been there for donkeys years.

Yup. Although with my ability to murder other languages, if I'd stayed overseas I'd have been one of them probably.

I absolutely LOVE Lanzarote! The mixture of culture, glorious year-round sunshine and amazing local food is perfection. IMO those who call it ‘Lanzagrotty’ either haven’t actually been there, or they’ve been to an all-inclusive hotel and haven’t experienced the island. I think the rise of the cheap all-inclusives is probably what’s bothering the Lanzarote tourist board - and I don’t blame them. We always go either self catering or b&b. We eat out in the many fabulous local restaurants and take in the culture of the island. It’s very important to Lanzarote that it never becomes ‘over commercialised’ - no high rise allowed etc. The artist, Manrique, dedicated his life to ensuring Lanzarote retains its culture, and his legacy is part of the island today (the airport is named after him).

NotSpaghetti

Casdon interesting that in the survey so many from the USA said they didn't know!
Quite puzzling to me.

I guess it could have been because so many Americans don’t leave the States at all NotSpaghetti, so they probably don’t have much exposure to people from other countries. Just a guess.

GagaJo

Callistemon21

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Same attitude foreigners here face I suppose.

I don't understand these generalisations.

They're not thought through at all.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Callistemon21

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Same attitude foreigners here face I suppose.

I don't understand these generalisations.

They're not thought through at all.

It's a chat forum. I'm not here to think deeply.

Apologies if it's not up to your standards. Possibly ignoring me might be the way to go with that one?

Casdon

There’s anecdote, and there’s evidence.
yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2019/08/30/britons-make-worst-tourists-say-britons-and-spania
This is an international survey, so it carries some weight.

Actually though, what I think Lanzarote is saying is that it wants to move away from being a party island for tourists, Brits are by far the biggest majority who visit there, but they won’t want rowdy holidaymakers from anywhere. It’s not about discriminating against the average British holidaymaker. It’s no different to what’s happening in Madeira, or for that matter Fuerteventura. As usual though, it’s been pumped up by the media into being an outrage on British sensibilities, I don’t know why some people here fall for it every time.

Those so called generalisations do not come from no-where?

Backtracking? Not at all. Whether you like it or nor, it is about the value of currency, which makes some tourists more 'valuable' to resorts. Not about being rich, as individuals, but about Holiday Companies buying holidays en masse and selling them on in Sterling- which has lost hugely in value over last few years. That is a totally different story, but very real.

As said, the same applies to medicines, energy, raw materials, anything we need for production chains, etc.

All inclusive hotels often don’t help the local economy much, if at all

D'you know I always thought that Urmstongran, and then last August we went to an all-inclusive hotel on Kos for two weeks through Tui. My daughter's choice for her birthday.

Virtually all the staff were Greek, and so friendly and welcoming.
There was a mix of nationalities among the guests, but I'd say predominantly British.
There was an enormous choice on the buffets of all kinds of local and international cuisines.
There was a lovely family atmosphere and no excesses of behaviour.

We caught the bus to the local town and ate at a local Greek restaurant twice: easily half the staff were English!

Overall I was really impressed and we all thoroughly enjoyed our holiday 😎

Thank youV3ra 🌞. Your holiday experience reflects those of family and friends.
I’m perplexed Fleurpepper that despite your extensive experience of travelling, you always seem to end up surrounded by drunken ‘brits’ . Brits is usually used in a derogatory way, as it has throughout your many contributions here.

Anyone with even limited experience of travel in southern Europe knows which resorts are likely to be favoured by the cheaper end of the all inclusive gang. It’s not complicated. We usually book flights, find accommodation and had great holidays. Never fiubd ourselves in Malia (Crete) for example because we knew it wouldn’t suit us but others may love it

I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows what resorts cater for hens, stags and groups of party loving people.

Like Iam64 has posted if you go to a resort with a reputation of clubs and cheap booze you will encounter youngsters of all nationalities enjoying the facilities on offer.

Easily avoided that us unless you are someone who likes a good old moan…

We certainly have not- but we have had a few bad experiences which illustrated exactly what this thread is about.

If anyone says 'English' then there is an outcry. Brit is short, and simple. Nothing rude there.

Whenever we have been on holiday with our kids, and with the 100s of children I have taken on trips abroad- we always had a discussion about them being Ambassadors for England- and that the way they behaved would be what people remember- and that good, pleasant and polite behaviour could wipe away so much of the bad reputation of British people abroad- like the old Football Hooligan picture.

People use to compliment the kids, mine, but also our students, all the time- so polite and so smiley- used to be so proud of them. Very very few bad examples of bad behaviour on so many trips abroad- and I have taken some rough kids from very 'challenged' backgrounds in my time.

Talking about kids teenagers, we have friends in France who own a campsite. They say by far the worst behaved youngsters are the Dutch because their parents don't care what their offspring get up to on the beach and round the site (well into the night). They are also the most boisterous and inconsiderate in the pool during the daytime.

Possibly ignoring me might be the way to go with that one?

No, I don't want to do that, I don't ignore people! I'm interested in what you say even if I dont agree.
And it wasn't aimed at you particularly.

It was just a thought that generalisations and stereotyping are not a good way of arguing your case.
By yours I don't mean yours.