One for those who never go on the News and Politics Forum

The old “some posters” thing. Actually more irritating than anything else

Oh yes, I dislike the assumption that if you think A you must (or can't) think B, or that if you agree with person C you must also support their policies on D.

Almost worse is the treatment of left and right wing as religions, when they are just broad-based descriptions of a general point of view.

Lucca

The old “some posters” thing. Actually more irritating than anything else

Indeed.

MaizieD

I feel there's a sub text of "I don't like having to defend my views".

Having seen posters being ripped to shreds in other sections of this site I don't feel that N & P is uniquely awful. 🤔

Spot on

But why should we have to defend anything ? It is not a court of law, just a chat place. For many years, most of my life, I have been involved with academics and professors of various disciplines ( married to one, 2 kids married to them, some family members etc) and they don’t go on like that. Why would you ? Just rude in my book.

Sorry nanna8, but if people write things which are just objectively nonsense, people are justified in asking them for some reasons for their assertions. I'm not talking about opinions, but claims about facts.

It’s not just chat round family table.?it’s a discussion forum

Oh dear. We all have our different perceptions.

nanna8

But why should we have to defend anything ? It is not a court of law, just a chat place. For many years, most of my life, I have been involved with academics and professors of various disciplines ( married to one, 2 kids married to them, some family members etc) and they don’t go on like that. Why would you ? Just rude in my book.

Surely N & P is a place for serious discussion, one hopes. Not chat. There is even a Chat forum.

Suppose, for example, (not suggesting that you do) support the re-introduction of capital punishment. Surely you would expect to be asked to defend your point of view? To come up with some statistics to support that view?

nanna8

Oh dear. We all have our different perceptions.

If that is your opinion then maybe you should stick to Chat etc.

This thread is a parody of itself now.
Chat v N&P 🙄

dragonfly46

MaizieD

dragonfly46

The clue was in the title Maizie

So, having opened the thread and seen the video, which wasn't about people like you at all, why continue to post?

I really don't know and have been asking myself the same question!

😁

Grantanow

I can't say I've noticed much personal savagery on the N&P thread.
Plenty of robust views and challenging arguments. You may not want to make political statements but politics runs through all of our lives in different ways because it determines how public money is spent and what laws are enacted. I think it's better to have a say however ineffective that may be.

I agree with this

But why should we have to defend anything ?

Sometimes it's helpful to know what is informing the views people hold. The only way you can find out is by asking them.

And if their views are based on misinformation, or no information at all, then many people would then respond with 'But what about a, b, or c?
Or ignore them.

What is worse, being 'challenged' or being ignored?

I feel we need an Ode to 'Some Posters' in the style of Dave Gorman

Lucca

The old “some posters” thing. Actually more irritating than anything else

What’s the alternative then? Name names or quote posts and get banned? Tittle tattle to GNHQ? Turn a blind eye and pretend that personal attacks are all in the cause of robust debate?

I’ve challenged offenders on the threads. It doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. Which is why I steer clear.

Maybe when anyone starts a thread in n&p, it should be headed
xxxxxxx chat or
xxxxxxxx dissection

then people will know what sort of thread it should end up being.

Seems to me the members of the site are split into two, maybe even same size, groups.

Myself, I would be the n&p chat

I have been asked to prove things when talking about lived experiences and even cross questioned as though I am lying about those experiences. That is not robust debate - that is rude and aggressive.

Actually, I have not seen that poster for a while - hope she OK.

Caleo

If one;s ideas are not to be challenged how can one learn?

Good point, but, on here your not just challenging you get a Glasgow kiss.
Then it gets personal because they have a small apartment in Spain. Or others who have worked hard enough to enjoy are high standard of living ( but still know how many beans make five)
I’d better stop here as I’m not on MN where I can really say what I think.

Kandinsky

I used to post on N&P as I am interested in politics. Unfortunately though, I really dislike the posting style of a few on there, ( who seem to be on there all day every day too! )
Pompous know it alls basically.

Exactly

Varian, it's a very funny clip by the way

I work as a skilled employee in a manufacturing facility and I encourage the youngsters especially (ie under 40) to register to and vote. They say the same, what will make a difference? and I say collectively we make a difference. We cannot rely on 'other people' to make good decisions for us and in our interests. Poor people fought hard to get the right to vote and they fought hard because the people voting were not voting in our best interests. I encourage them to engage in researching what local and national candidates have to offer and what they agree with and what is important to them.

Poor people want warmth and shelter, good working conditions and food. Unfortunately atm I know first hand that many of work colleagues are struggling with these things as a basic need and they would be considered luxuries, especially heat. They are on pre paid meters and even though they are in double full time income households, they are having to rely on food banks or the bank of Mum and Dad in some cases and Mum and Dad are struggling too. Our work environment is cold too, so there really is no respite at work

I do read the politics threads, watch Prime Minister's and First Priminister's question time, I prefer not to post on those threads

The way you have all continued this thread me included and the things that have been said proves why a lot don't post on it. The answers are all there in the posts and they are not going to encourage the non-joiners to join in.
Not for the faint-hearted the N&P threads, you have got to have a first in P.P.E or P.P.P. Oxbridge. Durham or Edinborough might just get your ideas listened to.
I think we need Volver back to put us all in our spots.

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