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WW 3 ..is this the reality?

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Bea65 Thu 09-Feb-23 15:41:48

Looking at TV coverage ...I'm feeling anxious that the more we send/spend on helping Ukraine, we're cooperating am not saying we shouldn't but just thinking how others feel about how far we go..we're already in crisis with NHS and need of financial assistance for cost of living assistance and this is too much for people's mental health sad

NanKate Mon 20-Feb-23 17:48:17

We have to support Ukraine. If Putin is allowed to win where will he strike next? He is on a mission. He has to be stopped.

Normandygirl Mon 20-Feb-23 18:42:01

maddyone

I have no idea about what brought about this situation in the first place? Oh please grinI don’t suppose you can help your bigoted anti European/American/NATO point of view as you are so clearly supportive of anything Russia does. Never mind, get on with it. I can’t be bothered any longer.

If you cannot understand that understanding an action or situation does not mean condoning it, then maybe you shouldn't "bother".

Katie59 Mon 20-Feb-23 23:05:14

China is dangerous, they are much smarter than Russia, they have the governments of many developing countries by the throat. In addition our western lifestyles is very much indebted to Chinese manufacturing capacity, without their computer chips our industry stops.

China has proved that it can blockade Taiwan any time it chooses, could the U.S. stop that happening?.

M0nica Tue 21-Feb-23 06:45:30

Normandygirl It all depends on what 'understanding' means.

MerylStreep Tue 21-Feb-23 07:22:20

Katie59
Fortunately Taiwan is the worlds biggest producer of micro chips.

nanna8 Tue 21-Feb-23 07:55:53

MerylStreep

Katie59
Fortunately Taiwan is the worlds biggest producer of micro chips.

So long as China doesn’t decide to annex it !

Fleurpepper Tue 21-Feb-23 09:42:19

M0nica

Nuclear weapons have always been in the hands of politicians and the last time anyone used one was 1945.

Since then there has been massive proliferation, and smaller 'tactical' weapons are being carried around ships, submarines and air weapons all the time all over the place.

And MAD has become 'obsolete'. Just as predicted by CND even since then Monica.

Normandygirl Tue 21-Feb-23 10:05:50

M0nica

Nuclear weapons have always been in the hands of politicians and the last time anyone used one was 1945.

I think that should read "the only time one was used"

Used unnecessarily and mindlessly to unleash agonising death and destruction on innocent men women and children by the "good guys."

Katie59 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:09:02

MerylStreep

Katie59
Fortunately Taiwan is the worlds biggest producer of micro chips.

Not only is it the largest produced of microchips, it produces ALL of the latest high end computer chips.

BTW As Biden is in Kiev, China’s top diplomat is in Moscow with Putin, maybe he is telling Putin to back off in Ukraine.

Or maybe he isn’t

GrannyGravy13 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:20:15

I like to think that the powers in China are more aware of the world and the consequences of an all out war than President Putin.

I saw an interview over the weekend (sorry cannot remember the man’s name) he was extremely knowledgeable about Russia and the Putin regime.

He summed up the situation as Putin and his acolytes have been stealing from mother Russias coffers for at least twenty years, hence the proliferation of oligarchs scattered around the globe

. There is little money left and the war was/is intended to get the people behind Putin and his Generals against the evils of the Western World, as it’s the West’s fault Russia is suffering

Let’s hope that the Chinese & American presence in the region is a signal that there is a lot going on behind the scenes, and it’s for the good.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:26:44

I would like to think that is the case gg13 but I am not convinced.

Greyduster Tue 21-Feb-23 10:53:21

Whose hands should they be in? The military? I would prefer politicians any day. I can’t agree. While I understand that politicians ultimately have to make the decisions, I have always felt a sense of profound relief that we have in the MOD a cohort of seasoned, highly knowledgeable and pragmatic service chiefs with no axe to grind, and their staffs, than here today, maybe gone tomorrow politicians with no military experience who may or may not choose to listen to those who have. I know who I would put my money on any day.

Bea65 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:58:10

So Putin has stated Ukraine started the War..in his long televised speech..so now we now then not just an OPs mission!

Quokka Tue 21-Feb-23 12:09:47

Russia needs another revolution. They slaughtered the Tsar and his family and replaced it with this?

Animal Farm!

Bea65 Tue 21-Feb-23 13:10:46

..now..KNOW..excuse spelling/typo.. he's a modern day Tyrant

M0nica Tue 21-Feb-23 13:43:22

The primary, almost only, cause of war is politics. Soldiers are not politicians, or diplomats. Politicians and diplomats negotiate the treatys that end wars and have a far better idea of what limits to go to encourage negotiations, when to ratchet up and when to ratchet down.

Soldiers always make it clear that they go in when politics has failed and that it is the responsibility of those who caused the war to get us out of it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Feb-23 16:00:53

Putin’s withdrawal from the SALT agreement is very worrying.

nanna8 Wed 22-Feb-23 01:47:00

And the frightening thing is all those seemingly sane and sensible people in the audience, across many parts of Russia, including religious leaders applauded him. What are they being told exactly ?

ronib Wed 22-Feb-23 06:13:37

Nanna8 the Kremlin online has a transcript of Putin’s speech yesterday with to be continued at the end.

Can’t help but notice Russian economic expansion plans are mentioned so wondering how that might pan out. Young men are a nation’s asset so killing them off doesn’t seem that logical. Wonder how much longer this will play?

Katie59 Wed 22-Feb-23 10:30:10

nanna8

And the frightening thing is all those seemingly sane and sensible people in the audience, across many parts of Russia, including religious leaders applauded him. What are they being told exactly ?

The Russian people are being told it is a just war to liberate Russians in Ukraine, because it is a totalitarian state anyone who disagrees is thrown into prison - so few disagree.

pascal30 Wed 22-Feb-23 11:44:09

Katie59

China is dangerous, they are much smarter than Russia, they have the governments of many developing countries by the throat. In addition our western lifestyles is very much indebted to Chinese manufacturing capacity, without their computer chips our industry stops.

China has proved that it can blockade Taiwan any time it chooses, could the U.S. stop that happening?.

China is completely ruthless. Just look at the way it destoyed the culture of Tibet and forcing the people to be part of China..

Katie59 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:14:50

pascal30

Katie59

China is dangerous, they are much smarter than Russia, they have the governments of many developing countries by the throat. In addition our western lifestyles is very much indebted to Chinese manufacturing capacity, without their computer chips our industry stops.

China has proved that it can blockade Taiwan any time it chooses, could the U.S. stop that happening?.

China is completely ruthless. Just look at the way it destoyed the culture of Tibet and forcing the people to be part of China..

Not to mention Hong Kong

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Feb-23 13:22:52

I have been following Biden’s visit to Ukraine and was struck by Zelensky’s emotional reaction when Biden met the ukraine government ministers - Zelensky looked so proud before tears fell.

What a brilliant leader he is, and I think Biden is not shabby either. Biden is showing real western leadership.

M0nica Sat 25-Feb-23 08:24:27

ronib Not only is Putin killing 10s of thousands of young Russian men Ukraine The best qualified and most enterprising young men, so necessary to the country and its future are fleeing the country in equal numbers and readily find jobs in Europe and the US.

I also note that Putin has, as foreseen, began, to send his tentacles out to start reoccupying other parts of the Russian empire. He is starting to ferment trouble in the Transnystrian breakaway region of Moldova. Moldova is a very small country, population 2.5 million. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/24/moldova-dismisses-russia-claims-of-ukraine-plot-to-invade-transnistria-region

ronib Sat 25-Feb-23 09:15:22

MOnica The Independent covered a strange story about a Russian mp who wore noodles in his ears to protest against Putin. The symbolism is that Putin lied. If that’s how democracy works in Russia, there will be a shortage of noodles soon.