Sunak has used a lot of Political Credit on sorting out the Northern Ireland Protocol deal ...

As has just been pointed out on Facebook. Congratulations, Ireland is finally back to where it was prior to brexit. It has only taken how many years? Made worse by the fact that they didn’t even vote for it.

A reminder:

Quite something to see the man who was Chancellor in the government that won an election on an oven ready deal absolutely ripping that deal to shreds and exposing it for the half baked bullshit it was, and being cheered by MP s who voted for it and won their seats on it too

Whitewavemark2

I do! The EU bod I am talking about😄

So do I.

Watching the HoC I have to say he has done well. I don't know if it's water-tight or if the usual suspects will destroy it, but he has worked to get this.

It won't change how I feel about the government, but it is soooo good to see someone in government getting on with being normal.

Urmstongran

Siope I agree with you on so many points!
I’m feeling ‘progress has been made’ and truly hope for better times ahead. Maybe those ‘sunny uplands’? Haha!

To be honest I voted for Brexit.
I was ecstatic at the result.
Then deflated (indicative votes in Parliament anyone?)
Finally pragmatic. Let’s make the best of what freedoms from divergence we have with the best of what ‘can be’.

Life is rarely ‘all or nothing’ or black and white.

I’m afraid we still draw very different conclusions from this. I don’t for a single second expect it to improve the overall dire and long-lasting impact of Brexit, and I’m not remotely pragmatic about it. My children and grandchildren are Irish, thankfully, but already I see how their contemporaries’ lives will be smaller, poorer and less full of opportunity than mine - or yours - and that’s a tragedy and a travesty.

No I agree siope this agreement is really only to try to get Storment functional again. So from that point of view I am pleased for democracy in NI and for the much put upon people who live there - that is of course if the DUP play ball, but I think Paisley is already pushing back.

It will have zero impact on Brexit - the only way that will happen will be closer alignment leading to rejoining the single market and customs union.

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ALASTAIR CAMPBELL

Thoughts and prayers with Boris Johnson’s ambitions and narcissism at this difficult time

My children and grandchildren are Irish, thankfully, but already I see how their contemporaries’ lives will be smaller, poorer and less full of opportunity than mine - or yours - and that’s a tragedy and a travesty.

Often said by middle class people Siope.
Different horizons & expectations.

Us, ‘in the working class’ (ie non professionals, less money, less ‘gap years’, less expectations of movement for jobs in Europe - not so much to ‘lose’.

Maybe Brexit drew that difference writ large.

I loved listening to “The Mogster” on GB news tonight.
Always polite.
He had Lee Anderson as a guest. Ex+Labour politician.
The Red Wall love him.
And David Davis.

But ug it is the working classes that are paying the price for more expensive food, less opportunity, less educational opportunity, poorer health service etc.

Here in the middle class south (which voted remain) whilst it undoubtedly are affected, are no so impacted by this state of affairs.

Less educational opportunity? Are you ‘avin a larf?
Don’t you read that working class white boys are the most disadvantaged group? We working classes still strive but with less aspiration. It is what is is and we get by.

And as for poorer health services? They’re dire for many at present. But the more well off can always choose to go private. We manage, as best as. Always have. Nowt much different whether in EU or not - so for a nice big fat change, guess what? Given a vote, We chose NOT.

Urmstongran

I loved listening to “The Mogster” on GB news tonight.
Always polite.
He had Lee Anderson as a guest. Ex+Labour politician.
The Red Wall love him.
And David Davis.

What did he say of import Urmstongran, anything about ERG support or otherwise for the Windsor proposals?

Cut off your nose to spite your face. -

JRM “always polite”???!!! He’s the most smug, the most patronising, the most condescending b*****d on the planet!

Whitewavemark2

But ug it is the working classes that are paying the price for more expensive food, less opportunity, less educational opportunity, poorer health service etc.

Here in the middle class south (which voted remain) whilst it undoubtedly are affected, are no so impacted by this state of affairs.

I’m hardly a poster girl for Brexit since I didn’t vote for it, but have to disagree with you here, food is going up in price due to energy prices, education is the same in the UK as ever and the NHS has bugger all to do with the EU.

Glad that Sunak has reached an agreement with the EU on NI,
Credit to him and his team for that at least.As DaisyAnne says, good to have someone normal in charge.

Not much about the ERG at all Casdon.
I see Steve Baker supports it ‘in theory’. Maybe the heat is off?

IrishDancing

JRM “always polite”???!!! He’s the most smug, the most patronising, the most condescending b*****d on the planet!

True,
but polite with it.😂

Well said Oreo.

Whitewavemark2

Cut off your nose to spite your face. -

Indeed. I am too tired to bother to word a reply to the "ever so 'umble" Urmstongran, as she listens to a fake posho and a thug.

Being personal there HousePlantQueen
No need, just no need.

We will have to agree to disagree IrishDancing.
I assume (maybe incorrectly) that you are in the RoI? If you are, it figures - in my opinion.
Somerset are delighted with Rees Mogg as their constituency MP.
I find him knowledgable and interesting in equal proportion.
He educates on matters of historical Parliamentary protocol in an informative and amusing way and maybe some think him ‘smug’ but could that be because he never gets ruffled, is unfailingly polite and can quote chapter and verse on parliamentary rules and history. It’s very educational in a good way to listen to him, I think.

Given Steve Baker was one of the negotiating team, it would be embarrassing if he didn’t support the new framework.

I wonder where you get the idea that my family are middle class, Urms? It’s far from true.

And I’m afraid the stats show that the economic shocks from Brexit are, as all economic shocks do, impacting disproportionately on the poorest (not counting my kids in that category, thankfully).

I am from a humble background HPQ. Old Trafford. Ever been? It’s up the road from Urmston. An eye opener for some on here.
“Don’t teach your grandmother to suck eggs” comes to mind.
Sorry.
I just feel that way tonight.

It looks as if your fan base has expanded by one, Urmstongran 😂

The real test is whether the DUP will get together with other parties and Stormont starts to work.

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Sunak is being dubbed ‘Sellout Sunak’ .." really, Urms? He might be patching something together, but one has to be practical and its probably as good as he can get for now - as long as the DUP step down from their position. I think that this will just make the DUP more unpopular, because most people in NI I am sure just want everyday things to work better.

Of course in practical terms we'll just have to see if this green and red lanes work - there is a lot of room for corruption in those deals.

If it leads to better relationships between ourselves and the EU so much the better.