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New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 07:49:34

So the latest wheeze from Sunak is to export every single asylum seeker who arrives on our shores, who have not gone through the proper channels or “safe route”

So,

Can anyone explain what safe routes are available.

Can anyone explain the countries willing to accept these exports?

Rwanda has agreed some sort of mutual export agreement - so they will take a few hundred in exchange for us taking theirs. So I’m unclear how that will reduce the pressure - if it ever gets off the ground.

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export, as the law is to apply retrospectively.

Can anyone explain how the Tory government is NOT breaking international law?

MerylStreep Sun 12-Mar-23 22:38:53

MayBee70
Because they have passports and accreditation papers ( if professional)
The Ukraine still has a working IT system that allows people to be checked out.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 12-Mar-23 22:42:40

Not my experience Glorianny and I have known many more lawyers than you,

DaisyAnne Sun 12-Mar-23 22:52:28

Maudi

Well said Sago I totally agree with you. All these fit young men who we know nothing about just wandering about our towns and cities they could be murderers, rapists even terrorists it a disgrace and yes its happened on the Tory watch but Sunak and Braverman have only been in charge for a few months so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at least they are trying to stop the illegals landing on our shores, enough is enough.

Standard hard right vilification of one particular group.

And people think we shouldn't be able to comment on the history of this type of language. I despair.

Maudi Mon 13-Mar-23 07:16:42

British woman who fostered Afghan migrant, 28, who was deported after raping 12-year-old girl tells him NOT to come back as he tries to smuggle himself back across the Channel
Copied from the Daily Mail today.

Coming to a town near you, your daughters and granddaughters if we don't Stop The Boats.

varian Mon 13-Mar-23 08:25:09

Joan Salter MBE, holocaust survivor explains the parallels with 1930s Germany.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/sangita-myska/illegal-migration-bill-and-1930s-germany-holocaust-survivor/

MaizieD Mon 13-Mar-23 08:54:18

Coming to a town near you, your daughters and granddaughters if we don't Stop The Boats.

Don't be ridiculous, Maudi. Our daughters and granddaughters have a much greater risk of being sexually abused or assaulted by a native born Brit.

Biscuitmuncher Mon 13-Mar-23 09:05:52

MaizieD absolute nonsense my daughters have been harrassed and followed by immigrants but never but British men. They have absolutely zero respect for women. They dont even care enough about their own women to bring them with them

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 09:11:32

There tend to be problems with male asylum seekers acting inappropriately with women. Many are from cultures where women are treated very differently and they seem to think that British girls are fair game.

MaizieD Mon 13-Mar-23 09:13:54

Biscuitmuncher

MaizieD absolute nonsense my daughters have been harrassed and followed by immigrants but never but British men. They have absolutely zero respect for women. They dont even care enough about their own women to bring them with them

That doesn't make it the experience of every woman in every town.

I realise it's unpleasant, but it isn't, and never will be, the norm nationwide.

Katie59 Mon 13-Mar-23 09:19:28

We know men from some cultures deliberately target white women because their own women are simply not available, they are protected/restricted by their families. They have little respect for their own women and none at all for white women

Wyllow3 Mon 13-Mar-23 09:22:08

What incredible racism. As if we haven't enough home grown white males committing domestic and street violence to women, including police officers!

My gym of many years has now a substantial number of men and some women from Eastern Europe and I have only been treated with respect , particularly I might add as someone with white hair ie from a culture that still respect its elders.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 09:26:15

It isn’t racism, it’s fact.

Biscuitmuncher Mon 13-Mar-23 09:36:00

Wyllow3 people aren't coming here because they want to give us something. They're here to take. They're not willing to make their own countries somewhere worth living

Skydancer Mon 13-Mar-23 09:41:38

What is the population of this country likely to be in 20, 50 or 100 years time? Our towns and cities are overcrowded now. We have a housing shortage. It can be hard to see a GP. The NHS is overstretched. Surely any immigration can only make this all so much worse. When does this situation come to an end? When do we say enough is enough?

Shinamae Mon 13-Mar-23 09:48:52

Germanshepherdsmum

It isn’t racism, it’s fact.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Maudi Mon 13-Mar-23 09:49:34

I think most people are now saying enough is enough here in the UK we're at saturation point.

MaizieD Mon 13-Mar-23 09:51:38

Skydancer

What is the population of this country likely to be in 20, 50 or 100 years time? Our towns and cities are overcrowded now. We have a housing shortage. It can be hard to see a GP. The NHS is overstretched. Surely any immigration can only make this all so much worse. When does this situation come to an end? When do we say enough is enough?

All the problems you have mentioned can be put down firmly as being the fault of the government which has been cutting public spending for the past 13 years and failing to take care of all our citizens.

And if you voted for them it's down to you, too...

silverlining48 Mon 13-Mar-23 09:51:58

That’s not what most people are saying maudi.
Luckily most people have compassion for those much less fortunate than us,

Casdon Mon 13-Mar-23 09:52:21

Maudi

I think most people are now saying enough is enough here in the UK we're at saturation point.

I didn’t realise that you knew ‘most people’ Maudi. Suffice to say, you are wrong.
www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration-tracker-october-2022

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 09:53:23

Biscuitmuncher, this is a first. I agree with you.

Maudi Mon 13-Mar-23 09:58:12

I have sympathy for genuine refugees fleeing war like the Ukrainians I welcome them with open arms as do most British people. I have no sympathy for undocumented fit young men on the small boats who have paid thousands of pounds to smuggler gangs to game the system.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Mar-23 09:59:11

Maudi

British woman who fostered Afghan migrant, 28, who was deported after raping 12-year-old girl tells him NOT to come back as he tries to smuggle himself back across the Channel
Copied from the Daily Mail today.

Coming to a town near you, your daughters and granddaughters if we don't Stop The Boats.

Gary Lineker is right isnt he?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Mar-23 10:05:12

“My journey started on a boat. I ended up in a refugee camp ... They say stories like this only happen in the movies. I cannot believe this is happening to me. This is the American dream!" - Ke Huy Quan #Oscars”

Another rapist that beat the system! Disgusting they are all rake, take, take.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 10:09:31

No he isn’t. We are not talking about members of the UK population of different faiths, sexualities, ethnic origins or ways of life. We are talking about people who are paying vast sums of money to be smuggled into the UK and frequently have no documentation to prove their identity or country of origin.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Mar-23 10:09:48

And those immigrant doctors and nurses - honestly they do nothing but take, take take.

And those academic immigrants and scientists my goodness they contribute absolutely nothing to the U.K.

I can’t think why on earth we are daft enough to allow them in can you?

Oh yes and while we are at it what about all those bloody plumbers and builders. Parasites!