New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

....and now of course we have the Windrush Scandal, where the current Conservative regime attempted to send back Windrush incomers:

this needs careful reading:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

but here is the initial summary

"The Windrush scandal was a British political scandal that began in 2018 concerning people who were wrongly detained, denied legal rights, threatened with deportation, and in at least 83 cases[1][2][3] wrongly deported from the UK by the Home Office. Many of those affected had been born British subjects and had arrived in the UK before 1973, particularly from Caribbean countries, as members of the "Windrush generation"[4] (so named after the Empire Windrush, the ship that brought one of the first groups of West Indian migrants to the UK in 1948).[5]

As well as those who were deported, an unknown number were detained, lost their jobs or homes, had their passports confiscated, or were denied benefits or medical care to which they were entitled".

At least read the first full section.

To me is shows a depravity at the heart of current leadership in Conservative thinking which we now see in full force under Braverman.

I am sure there are many who are completely unaware of the above, and would not have countenanced it, whatever their political background. It was pretty hushed up.

It has been confirmed as I feared earlier in the week that children are not except from this ugly bill.

Even some quite hardline Tories are askance.

Exempt

Kandinsky “This issue will never affect Gary Lineker”. Not true, he has made it his business and it is affecting him. He has taken a personal stand and is prepared to face the consequences.

I'm so fed up of "this won't affect you and we are the ones suffering"attitude.
Of course people like you are suffering. Of course there are not enough hospitals/GPs/school places etc. Of course some areas are suffering huge deprivation. But none of those things are the fault of refugees or asylum seekers. They are the fault of a government which has shown no support for public services in particular the Health service and which has rewarded the super rich. They conned you into thinking austerity was necessary and Brexit was a good idea, and now you are thinking they didn't do too good a job they are trying to blame everything on asylum seekers.
If GL isn't affected by the situation how on earth are the likes of JRM? They will sit in their mansions passing millions to their mates whilst you target those poorer and less fortunate than you. Because that's how they keep control and stay in power.

It was stated on the BBC news last night that the majority of migrants turning up illegally on our shores last year were from Albania, a European country not at war. In other words the majority of these illegal migrants are economic migrants, not asylum seekers

So why cant we dump them back in Albania? Too many do goody charities and human rights lawyers.

‘Lefty lawyers’ as Sunak rightly calls them. Paid by the taxpayer, to add insult to injury.

I actually live in a house worth almost 1 million in a smart London suburb - I’m not affected at all.

But thank you for your concern.

So why cant we dump them back in Albania? Too many do goody charities and human rights lawyers

Exactly

Germanshepherdsmum

‘Lefty lawyers’ as Sunak rightly calls them. Paid by the taxpayer, to add insult to injury.

I thought that you used to be a solicitor? Your posts surprise me.

Ross Atkins has tweeted a 3minute video of Gary Lineker on The Media Show explaining exactly how and why he tweets

A very impressive explanation, given by an intelligent and empathetic man.

I was, Whitemark, but didn’t do that sort of work, nor did any firm I was with. I always refer to these human rights law firms, paid by the taxpayer, as Scummy & Co. I have no respect for them.

Glorianny

I'm so fed up of "this won't affect you and we are the ones suffering"attitude.
Of course people like you are suffering. Of course there are not enough hospitals/GPs/school places etc. Of course some areas are suffering huge deprivation. But none of those things are the fault of refugees or asylum seekers. They are the fault of a government which has shown no support for public services in particular the Health service and which has rewarded the super rich. They conned you into thinking austerity was necessary and Brexit was a good idea, and now you are thinking they didn't do too good a job they are trying to blame everything on asylum seekers.
If GL isn't affected by the situation how on earth are the likes of JRM? They will sit in their mansions passing millions to their mates whilst you target those poorer and less fortunate than you. Because that's how they keep control and stay in power.

Very well said Glorianny!

Germanshepherdsmum

I was, Whitemark, but didn’t do that sort of work, nor did any firm I was with. I always refer to these human rights law firms, paid by the taxpayer, as Scummy & Co. I have no respect for them.

Are they operating within the law?

As a solicitor, did you believe in upholding the principles of HR?

Did you recognise that everyone is equal before the law, and were entitled to representation?

Do you also recognise that barristers work entirely within the law of the land.

So how on earth can they be either right or left.

It is an absolute nonsense to talk about “lefty lawyers”

GSM, I do hope you are no longer practicing whatever area of the law you specialise in because, frankly, your comments are disgusting Scummy & Co? Really? Some of the language on here is appalling, talk of 'dumping' people as if they are rubbish.

I say this as someone who is not affected by the dreadful situations that some are, but unlike some on here, I don't blame the migrants, I blame the deliberate and provocative placement of controversial people into areas where they are unlikely to be welcomed, will have nothing to do other than hang around all day, being preyed upon by unscrupulous gangmasters and the like. As a previous poster wisely said

You might almost think there was a policy to stir up discontent and unrest. To cover up the awful economic mess the Tories have got us in. But that couldn't possibly be true, could it

I do not believe that every person who lands on these shores is a genuine refugee, even us snowflakes can work that out, I do think that the backlog is the fault, deliberate possibly, of the HO.

Oh, and anyone who thinks that they can't get a council house/hip replacement/GP appt/pot hole filled/NHS dentist because 45,000 arrived on the Kent coast by inflatable boat last year really needs to brush up on their economics, and then have a read up on Conservative austerity policy.

I wondered what Jesus would think, so I googled and it's quite clear

www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/what-does-bible-say-about-refugees#:~:text=Treat%20foreigners%20or%20refugees%20as%20citizens%20and%20with%20love.&text=Most%20Christians%20are%20aware%20of,same%20instruction%20for%20treating%20foreigners.

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

Germanshepherdsmum

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

You are telling me nothing that i don’t know about criminal lawyers.

But I’m surprised at your apparent ignorance concerning those who operate within the law. Of course they have political views why on earth shouldn’t they? But lawyers operate within U.K. law . Tell me, is the law left or right leaning?

I think you know the answer to that.
And I am by no means ignorant ‘of those who operate within the law’ - or those who operate outside it.

Then why talk about “leftie”lawyers” ?

I think I know the answer to that as well.

Everyone is equal before the law except those you deem not to be. So today it is immigrants. Tomorrow whom?

HousePlantQueen
Oh, and anyone who thinks that they can't get a council house/hip replacement/GP appt/pot hole filled/NHS dentist because 45,000 arrived on the Kent coast by inflatable boat last year really needs to brush up on their economics, and then have a read up on Conservative austerity policy.

Well I follow your advice and brush up on my economics and found that UK spent 898 million providing food and shelter to refugees in the UK in 2021.

The judicial system is part of the problem, the long appeal and reappeal process whenever the refugee's application was rejected in the first place.

Absolutely true SporeRB

From BBC News:
Does the UK grant more asylum applications than other countries?
In 2021, the UK authorities made decisions on 22,890 first-time applications and granted 14,690 of them - 64%.
France, a country with a population similar to the UK's, made 137,015 decisions, granting 33,875 of them - 25%.
Germany made 132,680 asylum decisions, granting 59,850 - 45%.

How could France process 137,015 decisions, whilst the UK only processed 22,890 - it is pathetic inefficiency.

the cost of housing and feeding people while they await 'processing' is unnecessarily large due to the whole system being clogged up. I think we can all agree, whatever our views on people seeking permission to live in the UK, that the application and subsequent permission or refusal has to be sorted out, not least to avoid the costs and social implications of huge numbers of unemployed, bored people being kept waiting for years to move on with their lives.

I am saddened however, by the cruel way that some of our politicians are using the misery of thousands of people to distract (very effectively) the electorate from the catastrophic state of public services after 13 years of Conservative austerity policy.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

You are telling me nothing that i don’t know about criminal lawyers.

But I’m surprised at your apparent ignorance concerning those who operate within the law. Of course they have political views why on earth shouldn’t they? But lawyers operate within U.K. law . Tell me, is the law left or right leaning?

Of the two lawyers I know one is a major human rights lawyer and one worked for a huge company doing commercial law. The commercial lawyer admits that some of the work she did was ethically questionable (she's now retired) and that the human rights lawyer is brighter and more committed to justice than she ever was.

How come people coming from Ukraine are allowed to work here straight away but people coming from other war torn areas have to be processed (?) which makes them a drain on society?