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CvD66 Sat 11-Mar-23 12:02:56

...at this government (adjectives deleted to enable post to survive) and its policies. Whether its the appalling language and terms of this new Immigration bill, the current attempts to limit free speech, voting restrictions particularly for young people, polluted rivers and seas (affecting wildlife, tourism and well being), the cost of living crisis, unaffordable energy bills, threats of higher mortgage costs, significant decrease in rape prosecutions, repeated examples of government waste (PPE being the prime example) and so on.... there is so much we need to be opposing. Yes I know we can all vote in the local and one day general elections, yet making a protest that might actually resonate with the government seems impossible. So well done to Linekar with his 6m followers! Any ideas from posters on what we as individuals could do, that could create a ripple?

Gillycats Mon 13-Mar-23 12:49:31

Irish Dancing yes they have. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the world.
MayBee70 the language is nothing like the German government used in Nazi Germany or German politics in the 1930’s. And it’s abhorrent to even suggest it is.
Our right to strike has been diminishing since the awful strikes of the 1970’s when this country was brought to its knees. And that’s under Labour and Tories. I fully support those who earn minimum wage or less and anyone who does not receive the legal requirements from a health and safety point of view. But bringing the country to its knees once more when there is a global economic and environmental crisis by people on decent wages and conditions is just wrong. Let’s help the genuinely poor and needy first then let’s look at helping those earning a decent income. And for me that includes helping genuine refugees with particular emphasis on women and children from war torn countries. Not young men from places where they’re actually safe eg Albania. Unlike the Jews who were anything but safe in pre WW2 Germany….

Well said Milliedog by the way! Spot on!

undines Mon 13-Mar-23 12:55:45

I'm with you Ali23, dangerous times, and yes any totalitarian government is as bad as another. Currently the Labour Party are disappointingly beige, but they are the lesser of two evils. And every little helps - posters, marching, petitions, and of course VOTING, which far too many people don't do. Currently there seem to be a few people who, now thoroughly disillusioned by the Conservatives, will not vote at all because they have a visceral dislike of Labour. That's a shame. We have to be rational. Proportional representation is a 'must' but I don't think it benefits either of the two main parties, and certainly not the Conservatives. As for France, the French government know they're going to get trouble with some measures, so they keep within bounds -at least that's what I think. If the French were passive moaners like the Brits (being half Irish half Belgian this is the view of an 'outsider'!) maybe that pension age would be up to 67 like ours!

undines Mon 13-Mar-23 13:03:09

Do you know any Jews, Gillycats? I do, and they do NOT feel safe. The climate is changing. How do you define a 'decent' wage? I would say that a 'decent' wage means at least you do not have to rely on food-banks, like some nurses and teachers. I do not blame anyone for striking. There is enough money around - it is being siphoned into the wrong pockets. As for the language used and objected to by Linekar, that depends how far back you go. Of course it's not the storming rhetoric of Hitler on his pulpit, but more akin to earlier views, as racism grew. Germans then did not want to see it, WE do not want to see it, but it's happening and we need to wake up. There are plenty of people who would like to see 'the blacks' kicked out, en masse. To give them a political voice is dangerous.

Merryweather Mon 13-Mar-23 13:12:34

@millydog and @gillycats completely agree with both of you. Well said.

Sandynan Mon 13-Mar-23 13:15:47

Demonstrate! Get out on the streets! Write to your MP! If we sit back and do nothing, nothing will change. Apartheid wasn’t abolished because people sat at home moaning.

andiacc1 Mon 13-Mar-23 13:21:10

CvD66

...at this government (adjectives deleted to enable post to survive) and its policies. Whether its the appalling language and terms of this new Immigration bill, the current attempts to limit free speech, voting restrictions particularly for young people, polluted rivers and seas (affecting wildlife, tourism and well being), the cost of living crisis, unaffordable energy bills, threats of higher mortgage costs, significant decrease in rape prosecutions, repeated examples of government waste (PPE being the prime example) and so on.... there is so much we need to be opposing. Yes I know we can all vote in the local and one day general elections, yet making a protest that might actually resonate with the government seems impossible. So well done to Linekar with his 6m followers! Any ideas from posters on what we as individuals could do, that could create a ripple?

Obviously don't vote for the scum. They are cruel. Evil 😈. Demonstrate. Let's get them out

mokryna Mon 13-Mar-23 13:31:04

The Swiss vote as many as four times a year. Some groups in the USA travel long distances and queue hours in the heat. However, many people in the UK don’t want to go to the local polling station, as it is too tiring, even when they have the possibility to make changes.

Junglebub Mon 13-Mar-23 13:33:00

I had no idea that Lineker was fluent in 1930's German! Or is he simply relying on someone else's translations to form the basis of his crackpot twitterings, I wonder......

HillyN Mon 13-Mar-23 13:48:09

mokryna , we do have the option of a postal vote!

Cossy Mon 13-Mar-23 13:53:13

GagaJo

We had a chance in the last election and the populace picked Boris.


I, in common with some others, firmly believe Bo-Jo was elected by such a huge majority purely to “get Brexit done” and we can see how well that went !! Also I agree with the poster who spoke about the lethargy our voters show - btw big turns out Australia I believe are due to penalties for not voting ? Personally, as a woman, I think it’s a disgrace not to vote as our predecessors gave their lives in some cases to allow us this “privilege”

As for the person here who thinks Gary Lineker is a loony, sorry to disagree but I think he is a man of principals who puts his money where his mouth is by not only speaking out but by opening his own home to two asylum seekers !! Support him all the way ! 👏👏👏

HomeAgain123 Mon 13-Mar-23 13:57:14

We’ve got the greens where I live …. Never seen such a mess looks like they’ll be gone in may

Nancat Mon 13-Mar-23 14:11:30

I agree wit both Gillycats and Milliedog. What we really need is a coalition government, with the best person for the job, regardless of party elected for each post. How we could get it, I don't know. I just feel that neither of the major parties are trustworthy enough to lead the country without restraint.

LovelyLady Mon 13-Mar-23 14:20:43

The English seem to lack ‘the get up and go’
The French are to be admired and copied. French politicians listen to their voters. The French and Scots, have the ‘fire in their bellies’ English don’t have, leaving it for others to get off their ‘back sides’ The English are not motivated and leave the ‘extremists’ to do the work for them.
The Scots also have the passion but London Parliament have diluted their strength but only slightly.
Please please let the English do something for themselves. Make our politicians do more than listen we need proactive leaders. I do think our politicians should be paid by results. A productivity wage may be the answer.

katy1950 Mon 13-Mar-23 14:46:44

I have no faith in any political party I feel sad to say this , I also think the people influencing the political parties are the media ,celebrities and the woke gang but not the hard working good people of Britain

Lottie53 Mon 13-Mar-23 15:16:30

I don’t agree. You have every right to have your opinion of course and I would defend that right but really nothing could be worse than this shocking Conservative Party. I think Sir Kier Starmer will be a fine pm and he has got a good shadow cabinet with him. We need change to undo all the wrongs and chaos that Boris and his succession of pm’s have caused.

happycatholicwife1 Mon 13-Mar-23 15:17:16

Offer to take migrants on to give them a place to live, work, etc., man volunteer programs, work toward communal housing on some of the margins of your great green areas. Britain has a lot of room if used properly.

If you invest in these things with time and money in high numbers, you can lead the government.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 15:54:04

Using a magic money tree I assume? You perhaps don’t know the rules here about building on the green belt, nor about employing people who don’t have ‘papers’.

JdotJ Mon 13-Mar-23 16:12:40

Unfortunately, all politicians have their noses in the trough, regardless of which party they represent.

M0nica Mon 13-Mar-23 16:14:40

hcw1 Is that what you all do in the US?

Keffie12 Mon 13-Mar-23 16:24:25

For those unsure of Keir Starmer, listen to this podcast. This is an hour-long podcast which will give you more measure into the man than clips taking out of context.

He is a thoroughly decent future P.M. I'm not saying he is perfect because no one is. He is decent and wants to govern properly. Something we haven't had in the last 13 years.

Cameron wasn't like this lot, even though he is Tory; however, he did land us in this mess, with his arrogance over the referendum vote, by not putting in the 60/40% vote and thinking people would vote for the status quo. I could go on. I won't. You get the jist

Anyway, Keir is boring I hear some say. I want politicians to do the job they are paid for. A politician isn't there to entertain me. If I want entertaining, I will go to the theatre.

You will be surprised at the dry quiet humour and depth of the man: Link to below

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/keir-starmer/id1454408831?i=1000552160665

spabbygirl Mon 13-Mar-23 16:31:55

happycatholicwife1

Offer to take migrants on to give them a place to live, work, etc., man volunteer programs, work toward communal housing on some of the margins of your great green areas. Britain has a lot of room if used properly.

If you invest in these things with time and money in high numbers, you can lead the government.

I think Keir Starmer's Labour is necessarily bland at the moment, they're just trying to keep out of the limelight as much as possible leaving the media to cover the various tory horrors. Keir & team will be a great gov't. Boris & co tricked the people to vote for him with his bus promising money for the NHS, the opposite was true, Boris & co want to privatise the NHS, they are spending more on health now than previously cos they are using private companies which cost more but don't give better care. but if your pals own PPE companies etc. it gives them huge salaries

Greciangirl Mon 13-Mar-23 16:40:11

Remember the Poll Tax riots.
Change happened then.

Protests nowadays are too peaceful.
The government aren’t taking any notice.

Thatcher took things too far and this government is doing the same. And unfortunately getting away with it.

Maybe rioting will make them sit up and notice.

Greciangirl Mon 13-Mar-23 16:42:05

Well said, Keffie12.

NotSpaghetti Mon 13-Mar-23 16:42:29

Keffie this is the podcast I recommended ages ago and others have suggested it subsequently but unfortunately if you are one of those people who are already convinced you "know" the sort of person he is you won't listen.

I wish more people would hear him in his own words.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Mar-23 16:45:21

Rioting? Do you remember the terrible riots of the past?