So how can we show our disgust ...

micmc47

We get the Government we deserve, and will no doubt end up deserving the next one too..

Is this really true?
I think not.

All I can say to that, is that we all must have been very naughty indeed in a past life

Maybee70 Starmer has moved the Labour Party to the right. He makes promises, then breaks promises. He has expelled many from the party because they disagree with him. (Eg he's expelled more Jews from LP than every other leader in total in his crusade against Anti-semitism)
Rachel Reeves is Shadow Chancellor. She told vulnerable people when in Miliband's shadow team that she'd 'tougher than Tories' on those on benefits, and that 'Labour is not for you' if you are not 'in work'. Corbyn didn't want such rhetoric, but Starmer seems very positive about her.
Wes Streeting does seem keen on driving towards a privatised/insurance-based NHS. He's publicly negative about NHS staff.
This is not the Labour Party I've supported for 50 years.

Wyllow3

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Oh my Chardy. My local Labour party branch has, since January, been door knocking 3 times a week on doors of the most deprived sections of our ward finding out what people want most and what their priorities are. whatever the weather. I am part of a local Labour Party initiative working week on week of proposals to make Mental health provision fit for purpose..I'm in he vulnerable category as I receive MH services but my opinion is valued if anything more keenly than "theorists".

Many people in my ward are actively involved in the local food banks and volunteer at the local library which is volunteer run.

How wrong you are. We are just ordinary members. The local Labour MP's I know care passionately!

My local CLP has been good-to-excellent on local issues Willow3 too. I live in a true blue area, and they've worked wonders at a local level. Sadly I don't see this reflected at national level.

Chardy

Maybee70 Starmer has moved the Labour Party to the right. He makes promises, then breaks promises. He has expelled many from the party because they disagree with him. (Eg he's expelled more Jews from LP than every other leader in total in his crusade against Anti-semitism)
Rachel Reeves is Shadow Chancellor. She told vulnerable people when in Miliband's shadow team that she'd 'tougher than Tories' on those on benefits, and that 'Labour is not for you' if you are not 'in work'. Corbyn didn't want such rhetoric, but Starmer seems very positive about her.
Wes Streeting does seem keen on driving towards a privatised/insurance-based NHS. He's publicly negative about NHS staff.
This is not the Labour Party I've supported for 50 years.

We live in a different world to how it was 50 years ago. The Labour Party has to adapt. I think it’s wrong to say they’re moving to the right: imo they’re moving to the centre ground that enabled the party to win three elections. I looked up how many times the Conservative Party have won elections compared to Labour and was shocked by how few years Labour have had in power. Look what happened when Corbyn ( who I voted for in both elections by the way) took the party to the left. It gave the Conservatives the sort of majority that virtually turned the country into a dictatorship with disastrous results.

Many people have been left politically homeless.

Equally though Chardy many people who were unable to support Labour in the last few years have now turned back because of the way the party has changed to meet the agenda of today. The polls tell a very clear story.

True, Casdon - and some of us feel he is at least left-of-Blair!

Casdon

Equally though Chardy many people who were unable to support Labour in the last few years have now turned back because of the way the party has changed to meet the agenda of today. The polls tell a very clear story.

Thank you Casdon. I felt politically homeless when Corbyn was leader but I still voted Labour because it was better than the alternative. Sadly our excellent Labour mp lost his seat - people told those of us canvassing they’d never vote Labour with corbyn in charge.

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

Dear oh dear. Can you think what correction you need?

For context see image in Wwmk2's post at 19.44

Am I reading this right?

JRM is supporting Fiona Bruce excusing Stanley Johnson by saying he only broke his wife's nose once because he thinks that women are not excused from 'correction' and 'assertive guidance can be useful, though serious injury should not be inflicted'

'Correction' and 'assertive, but non injuring, 'guidance' are needed and useful.

Does this sound like JRM supporting physical 'chastisement' of a wife (or female partner) ?

I think this needs a thread all of its own. In Chat, maybe.

Where did you find the quote, Wwmk2?

JRM is an odious individual and on the face of it he’s supporting physical ‘correction’ of women - although I suspect it’s a spectacular humour fail. But I have to print out that FB wasn’t supporting SJ. She was quoting from a supporting statement to the police from one of his friends.

There are a lot of cynics on this thread, who seem to think that a Labour government would be as bad as this one. But it must be the case that we need a change of government after so many years.
Do not be complacent and expect Labour to win the next GE. There are plenty of "I'm all right Jack" Conservatives who think the Tories will keep their taxes low and the "foreigners" out. FPTP will help them again; we should also be campaigning for PR.
We can all do our bit to make change happen I went out canvassing for the Lib Dems yesterday, as they are the only party in this constituency which can dislodge the Conservative MP. And... I met lots of charming and interesting people of all ages, including Labour supporters, and did lots of walking. What's not to like?
If you want change, you have to get out there and do your bit to make it happen.

Well said Ramola The LibDems are best placed to defeat the Tories in very many constituencies.

No-one should waste their vote by voting for a third placed Labour candidate if we are rto boot out the Tories.

Until we get electoral reform, tactical voting is the only way.

Yes to tactical voting in first past the
Post
The key is getting rid of these awful tories

Linacre was well out of line. If people think that the immigration policy is akin to what happened in Nazi Germany then they need to pick up a history book or 2. People seem to think our country is some kind of dreadful regime. It’s not. Other countries have exactly the same problems as us. We deal with things much better than many other places. We’re very lucky to live in such a brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality. People should remember that.

Gillycats

Linacre was well out of line. If people think that the immigration policy is akin to what happened in Nazi Germany then they need to pick up a history book or 2. People seem to think our country is some kind of dreadful regime. It’s not. Other countries have exactly the same problems as us. We deal with things much better than many other places. We’re very lucky to live in such a brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality. People should remember that.

Oh please. He did not liken it to Nazi Germany. He said the language being used by the current government was like the language used in German politics in the 1930’s. Which it is. And the current government is trying to take away our right to protest and our right to strike. It isn’t just about people coming to this country. It’s about our freedom.

Yes tactical voting must be the way to go.

The same uninformed who voted this lot in will do so next time. Why? Because they appeal to the anti immigrant, anti EU, indeed anti abroad(except cheapo Spanish hols) element .

Mmm. I'm more hopeful of the government since Rishi took over. At least he acts like a grown up. I like Keir Starmer but the thought of Angela Rayner and Diane Abbot being given any sort of responsibility fills me with dread. And I still haven't forgotten Tony Blair and his weapons of mass destruction so voting Labour is out for me.....We could do with a strong 3rd party. And migrants? We have had lots of people from Hong Kong and Ukraine (we should). But right now every day we are spending £5.6 million on housing economic migrants - remember that when you are in a long queue for our overstretched health service. Not all migrants are doctors and nurses. We need to fix our broken immigrant system but we also have to remember that we don't have the infrastructure to deal with everyone who WANTS to come here. Albanians aren't being persecuted in their own country, and those in Calais aren't being persecuted by the French.

Gillycats do you believe that the current government has provided this “brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality”? Genuine question.

Well said Milliedog.

And does anyone know if Gary Lineker is housing any refugees or economic migrants? Those who really want no borders should be queuing up to give homes to those arrivingonour shores....That's why Ukrainians have been so welcomed. They have been given refuge by those willing to stand up and be counted.

Milliedog

And does anyone know if Gary Lineker is housing any refugees or economic migrants? Those who really want no borders should be queuing up to give homes to those arrivingonour shores....That's why Ukrainians have been so welcomed. They have been given refuge by those willing to stand up and be counted.

Yes he does.
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gary-lineker-taking-another-refugee-his-home-b964763.html

I’d be interested to know the wise Mr Lineker’s thoughts on the £7m per day spent on hotels for ‘refugees’ and how the country can continue to fund this, together with the necessary infrastructure, to support it. Perhaps he, as a multi millionaire (for whose services we licence fee payers pay a premium) is unaware of the long standing housing crisis in this country, the poverty and social inequality that ALREADY EXISTS here for UK citizens. He is quoting facts that are incorrect re how many refugees we take compared to Europe. Is he unaware of how densely we are populated here? Did he not watch Sir David’s excellent programme on wild Britain and just how much green space we are losing? Population increase is not going to help our green initiatives. I suggest that Mr Lineker sticks to the football commentary he his paid so handsomely for, often by people who do not agree with his views. His political acumen and social awareness is nil despite the slavish devotion of his Twitter ‘followers’.

grandtanteJE65

Do as the Israelis are doing: demonstrate or strike!

It seems to be working there, so why not in the UK?

We already protest and strike. Seems like the whole country is out on strike.

March, demonstrate, ensure that the media are there and encourage all your grandchildren to observe, participate, take pics and videos and broadcast them all over their social media. We need to make social media and young voices aware of the support they have from us for progressive ideas.