Donald and the Southern Baptists

HousePlantQueen

What is WEF?

World Economic Forum.

www.weforum.org/

HousePlantQueen

What is WEF?

World Economic Forum

I think 4th July is trying to say we are a third world country, perhaps they have not been impressed with our politics in the last few years.

Katie59

HousePlantQueen

What is WEF?

World Economic Forum

I think 4th July is trying to say we are a third world country, perhaps they have not been impressed with our politics in the last few years.

Pot, kettle, black?

Pot, kettle, black?
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The US economy has done quite well and Biden is not the worst President ever

Perhaps the Democrats/ business people are interested in the economy doing well, while the red republicans are interested in conspiracy theories about stolen election votes, covid, and gun violence?

Katie59

Pot, kettle, black?
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The US economy has done quite well and Biden is not the worst President ever

Do you think that’s what 4thJulySunshine was saying? Read what they said about Biden.

There is an active conspiracy theory that says the WEF and whoever it is who is in charge are all part of a big plot to take over the world and we're all going to be subject to them, with no freedoms and we have to stay in 15 minute cities and use electronic money. The pandemic was just a way of softening us up to do what we're told.

Bill Gates is in on it, so's the King, I think.

Open your eyes, sheeple - do your own research!!!!! (sarcasm, just to be clear.)

volver3

There is an active conspiracy theory that says the WEF and whoever it is who is in charge are all part of a big plot to take over the world and we're all going to be subject to them, with no freedoms and we have to stay in 15 minute cities and use electronic money. The pandemic was just a way of softening us up to do what we're told.

Bill Gates is in on it, so's the King, I think.

Open your eyes, sheeple - do your own research!!!!! (sarcasm, just to be clear.)

Also, I believe, a part to that is that covid vaccines are truly shooting id chips inside your arm? Dislike of Dr Fauci - part to some nut-case theories.

Casdon

Katie59

Pot, kettle, black?
???
The US economy has done quite well and Biden is not the worst President ever

Do you think that’s what 4thJulySunshine was saying? Read what they said about Biden.

They loathe Biden for sure, and the democrats loathe Trump, it’s all too personal, the UK is getting cold shouldered and the US is cosying up to EU, neither Biden or Trump are going to do the UK any favors.
I’m more concerned what happens in Ukraine, that’s Bidens problem for now

Thanks all for clarification of WEF I didn't recognise the abbreviation!

Trump and his followers are some of the scariest people I've ever listened to. The 'Bible Belt' of America is one of the scariest places I've ever been. (and I've been to war zones!). They actually think the Americans are the saviours of the world and their attitudes are normal!

Seriously dangerous mix of guns and religion. The absolute conviction that God is on 'their' side.
Trump is a lying, cheating, unintelligent billionaire who doesn't give two stuffs about his followers - he just wants power for powers sake. He has no moral principles at all.

No idea what Bible these southern religious fanatics are reading - but it certainly isn't the one main stream Christians in the UK are reading. They keep invoking the Bible to justify the unjustifiable and seem to think it gives them God given rights to pile up weapons and attack their democracy - all incited by Trump. Even the deaths of children in school shootings doesn't dent their psyche.

There is a world of difference between Canada and America! Two different universes!

Somebody left the lid off the stupid box and he escaped.

I believe The Bible most used by the southern Baptists is the KJV. A wonderful version of the bible. The problem lies with their interpretation, not the bible per se.

I dithered around wondering if I had anything to contribute here after reading all posts.

First, I’d like to say - you British Grans are some of the most informed and knowledgeable people on the state of USA politics. I can tell you read and you know the issues that are dividing us.

Second, even though I joined Gransnet last year as a diversion I was a little disturbed that a few Trumpers found their way onto this site and have posted. So they walk among you too.

Third, Gransnet allows for free speech so I expect things to (sadly) ramp up as the US elections aren’t that far away. I hope the rhetoric stays civil within these confines. I’m just trying to find a space where I can breathe!

Fourth, I believe the electorate has awakened recently (what took them so long?) and more millennials and women will turn out for our primaries and NOV 24 vote. I remain hopeful we can save the republic and democracy. This may be the most defining election in US history.
A NEVER Trumper, always!
USA Gundy

We live in hope USA Gundy.

Stone of Destiny

There is nothing like exaggeration its the predominantly Democrat inner city areas that are the most dangerous places on the planet.

Grundy, the only Trump fans who have posted here have been your fellow Americans. It is great to have your input, though, and we are so sorry for your state of affairs over there. I hope you get two decent candidates.

There are several Southern Baptist-style churches here in Australia, Independent Baptists. American evangelists visit frequently. They have their positives as well as their negatives, they are not all Trump supporters and it is a pity so many are being manipulated by him just because he claims to have been saved.

The real sadness is our total impotence in the face of all this. What exactly might we do to prevent this slide into lunacy? Absolutely nothing. OK, so we can cast our votes when the opportunity arises, but it is a drop in the ocean compared with the groundswell of insanity that surrounds us globally.

Trump's espousal of fundamentalist Christianity confirms my desire to avoid all organised religion; but so many people are taken in by all this; it beggars belief.

I have always made it a rule to only engage in battles that stand a chance of being won; have always avoided trying to change things that I know cannot be changed - it is my way of trying to stay remotely sane in this mad world. And it all makes me want to ensure that my AC and DGC take every opportunity to wring every drop of enjoyment out of life, as we do not know what is round the corner for them.

I can seek to lead a decent life and make change for good in my own small sphere but I cannot change the global trends - especially where the insanity of fundamentalist doctrines is at play.

So I could be accused of being one of those who are condemned to blame by "doing nothing", but I work hard to bring good experiences to my family and those around me (e.g. by fostering music for children and adults in my local community) and hope that these will bring comfort and resilience in difficult times.

There is nothing we can do .... we can discuss it till we are purple -- but we can do nothing.

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

An interesting debate. American values are beyond me, most of my personal American friends are actually like me in outlook. Not particularly left or right but want to do good and be decent human beings. I can’t get my head around why people think Trump is a force for good. He is blatantly a dangerous man. I grew up with the war not far behind us and a “never again” mentality and then Trump, Putin, Johnson exist on the world stage. Many others too. The people who seriously believe the conspiracy theories abounding make me laugh but also worry me. What a failure of education and critical thinking. Anyway with AI coming along we are all doomed so maybe I will just concentrate on my own family and try not to beat myself up with the crazy world we are living in.

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

Whitewavemark2

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

Nothing to do with education system, I have brother and a sister in the US, they are twins educated in Oxfordshire, sister is a staunch Democrat, brother a staunch Republican, they live 10 miles apart and rarely speak to each other.

Why

However they are both visiting for the Coronation, so they will have to be civil while they are here.

Whitewavemark2

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

If critical-thinking involves questioning what you are told - the accepted 'wisdom', or what you read or hear, then it becomes a minefield in the schoolroom.

We expect scientists, doctors, etc to be able to evaluate and analyse information objectively - they're looking at Science and Medicine.

But when it comes to government, politics and the economy - it requires questioning the status-quo, and any teacher who attempted that would probably be labelled a Marxist or a Leftie.

I'd imagine it's even more problematic in the USA - I don't think the right-wing fundamentalist Christians are keen on their ideology being questioned.

I'm not a Marxist or Communist, not particularly 'woke' nor squarely Left, but have been called all of those simply for stating that I'd like to see a more equitable society with less of a gap between the extremely wealthy and the impoverished which, I believe, is possible even under Capitalism.