A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life who lies as easily as breathing, and the sooner she's gone the better. She appeals to the racists and the hard of thinking.

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

I think most of us on here are thinking about the child victims Kandinsky we are just conscious that the child victims are not the real focus of the Home secretary's remarks. We also care about all the victims, no matter what the racial origins or sex of the abusers.
The police and other exerts have said that abusers are mainly white.
The Home Office inquiry said that most child abuse was carried out by white men under 30. An account in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

How is perpetuating a racist myth helping abused children?

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

Absolutely. In their hurry to shout “racist” some people are forgetting about the hundreds and hundreds of young female children (some as young as 10 or 11) who were raped, abused and passed around for sex in the Muslim community. it happened all over the country in towns like Rochdale, Rotherham, Birmingham, Oxford and many more.

People need to read the book “You can’t have my daughter” by Elizabeth McDonnell. She was a very well educated, professional woman who adopted a 10 year old girl in Oxford but by the time she was 12 she was in the clutches of an Asian grooming gang along with many other girls who mainly grew up in care and were vulnerable. So organised were these gangs that they actually parked up outside childrens homes and foster carers and despite being reported countless times, the Police did nothing. Her story is horrific.

Why anybody would rather try to prove their point than consider these young kids is beyond me.

Nobody is not considering the young kids.

The thread is about how Braverman uses lies and deceit to further her own ends.

Trying to make out that people are ignoring the innocent is from the Right Wing Playbook, and I suspect none of us are falling for it.

I think we all agree that child abuse, perpetrated by anyone of any colour or culture or class is wrong. Of course white perpetrators are the majority; white people are the majority in the country. We’d have to know the percentages to be have any kind of truth, not just being told that the majority are white, which of course they are.
All abusers are nasty, cruel people. All abusers must be prosecuted and feel the full weight of the law whatever their colour, class, or culture. Where I understand that things went wrong with in some situations is that the children weren’t believed or were ignored. This is now known to be because the authorities were afraid of being called racist. This must never happen again. All offenders regardless of colour must be prosecuted.

So are all those posting about Asian gangs ignoring the children abused by white people?

But this thread isn't about them
It is about a Home Secretary who has deliberately ignored a Home Office report and police opinion as well as a high level abuse case (well cases actually, the matter being so complicated more than one trial was necessary) and produced an inaccurate, racist article days before details of a white child abusing ring were released.
It is bad enough that she is racist, but perpetuating the myth that white people don't do it could mean more child abusers get away with it.

Has anyone said white people don’t abuse?
I don’t think they have, and we know they abuse.
I don’t understand your apparent anger. All abuse angers me.

I'm sure Elizabeth McDonnell would feel the same if it were a white grooming gang, Primrose.

Your post proves nothing. We have all agreed that it is is appalling for the victims, that race should to be a consideration in prosecuting.

What you are missing is that was already the case and made very public -*before Bravermans statement*

that is the reason most her have picked up on it, because it IS inflammatory and racist and appeals to the worst in voters. which is her intention, and truly, worries me deeply when we are trying to heal a divided nation.

maddyone

I think we all agree that child abuse, perpetrated by anyone of any colour or culture or class is wrong. Of course white perpetrators are the majority; white people are the majority in the country. We’d have to know the percentages to be have any kind of truth, not just being told that the majority are white, which of course they are.
All abusers are nasty, cruel people. All abusers must be prosecuted and feel the full weight of the law whatever their colour, class, or culture. Where I understand that things went wrong with in some situations is that the children weren’t believed or were ignored. This is now known to be because the authorities were afraid of being called racist. This must never happen again. All offenders regardless of colour must be prosecuted.

The Home Office research says that although several high-profile grooming cases, including Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity but “links between ethnicity and this form of offending” could not be proven.

“Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders are most commonly white," the report said.

www.geo.tv/latest/325589-home-office-trashes-stereotype-of-pakistanis-behind-sex-grooming-gangs

maddyone

Has anyone said white people don’t abuse?
I don’t think they have, and we know they abuse.
I don’t understand your apparent anger. All abuse angers me.

All abuse angers me as well.
But I'm also angry that we have a Home Secretary who is responsible for prosecuting offenders who apparently either doesn't know, or doesn't care, about white abusers because she is busy making inaccurate racist comments, which she undoubtedly thinks will win her votes, She is, as I posted, unfit for purpose and she should go.

Of course abuse offenders are most commonly white. No one’s disputing that. It’s obvious because most of the population is white.

Braverman is a walking, talking right-wing dog whistle.

And one of the biggest problems with her comment is that it increases the risk to kids, because it makes it easier for white sexual exploitation gangs to be overlooked.

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

Oh Knadinsky, who on earth has said that we don't think of the vicitims.

All victims. Not just the ones abused by Pakistani men. But the vast majority, not just a few of them- not just 'a white child abuse gang' ...

And that is the very point, Suella Braverman is not telling the truth- she has deliberately chosen to target some groups of abusers, and make it all sound as if they are the only ones- to suit her agenda.

It was very wrong that the Pakistani men were not prosecuted earlier, for fear of reprisals and accusations of racism. WRONG, absolutely and totally, and lessons have been learnt. But abuse goes on, and all abusers target vulnerable girls, with many problems, often from a series of childrens' homes and run-aways, and many who have drug and other issues, desperate for attention, and many who have tragically already prostituted themselves. Desperate kids, in desperate circumstances, that the Social Services have often failed.

Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be any percentages quoted and so it’s actually impossible to make proper comparisons.

maddyone

Of course abuse offenders are most commonly white. No one’s disputing that. It’s obvious because most of the population is white.

No its not.

I'm hanging curtains. I'll find the percentages later.

Siope I agree with you in that the lack of prominence given to white gangs may well make it easier for them to recruit young girls.

Volver
Maybe we’re talking at cross purposes but the majority of the the population in the UK is white.

I’m intrigued, how on earth are you hanging curtains and commenting on Gransnet? I’ve heard of multi tasking but…….

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

maddyone

Volver
Maybe we’re talking at cross purposes but the majority of the the population in the UK is white.

I’m intrigued, how on earth are you hanging curtains and commenting on Gransnet? I’ve heard of multi tasking but…….

If you assume that there are no other factors at play then you might think that it was obvious that the percentage of offenders' ethnicities should match the percentage of ethnicities in the population.

However, things to take into account:

Percentages will vary as more offenders are identified.
Some offenders are more likely to be caught than others.
Police make the judgement about ethnicity in general, so they are introducing bias.
Then data is more than 10 years old and comes from fewer than half the Police Forces.

Some quotes:

there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending"

Another issue is that the ethnicity of the offender is recorded by police officers rather than self-assessed, and uses broad definitions, such as "Asian". The 2020 Home Office report found this could result in offenders being classed as "Asian" while being from other backgrounds.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

As for the hanging curtains - supermultitasking! They're up now

I think that some of you are forgetting the abuse children suffer from family and friends - from the ONS

"Around 4 in 10 (39%) of victims of physical abuse in their childhood were abused by their father. A further 29% were abused by their mother, 12% by a partner or previous partner3 and, 10% by step-father and 10% by another family member
4.4 Aug 2016"

The above is taken from an ONS report into child abuse and neglect in the UK

No one is forgetting anything (except perhaps Suella, who obviously should know better)

Dinahmo is right..
I recently gave evidence in a court about a man (the uncle) grooming and abusing his 13 year old niece , eventually she had the guts to tell her friend, my daughter, it happened several times at her Grandmother's house while on School holidays.
My daughter was so upset she told me, I had to became the responsible Adult who had to set the ball rolling. Its been traumatic for her family and especially her.
He was a sick white man.
The Police told me thankfully most of this type of case that gets to court is reported by a family member or friend of the family. Pleased to say, he got a 5 years.

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Well said Fleurpepper.