A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

growstuff

Well said Fleurpepper.

Seconded

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

In the 5 days since the Home Sec's recent divisive comments (not supported by PM!) on CSE 31 white people have been charged in a number of investigations in Walsall (21 people of which 7 women) and Bolton (10 men) The National Police Chiefs’ Council’s lead on child sexual abuse emphasised that “child abusers come from all parts of our society”.
More importantly the NSPCC 2020 report highlighted a 57% increase in CSE the last 5 years - resulting in 200 children a day being abused.
However you have to go back to the Home Secretary's intention in her comments. Why do you think she makes these false remarks?
Personally instead condoning her hatred, I’d prefer to see solutions to lower these horrific statistics which have gone up significantly on this government’s watch

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

Crikey.

It is possible to be Muslim and British.

What's going on in people's minds today?

If you have no faith how can you be Muslim? I have no faith and am not a Christian, I am British and a humanist A person from India who has no faith is not a Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and whatever she describes herself to be.

Look at a persons DNA - there is nothing that will tell you what faith they do or do not follow.

Well I suppose he comes from a Muslim family and the reference was to do with the concept of cultural identity influencing behaviour.
It's another thread really but there are more non-religious people in the UK now than ever before. This article says only the UK and Iran have clerics in their legislature!!!! humanists.uk/2022/11/29/non-religious-surge-37-tick-no-religion-in-2021-census-uk-among-least-religious-countries-in-the-world/

Whitewavemark2

If you have no faith how can you be Muslim? I have no faith and am not a Christian, I am British and a humanist A person from India who has no faith is not a Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and whatever she describes herself to be.

That's what I thought, too.

If he's a Muslim who has 'given up' the faith he might have been born into, and was born here, surely he's just, well... British?

Glorianny

Well I suppose he comes from a Muslim family and the reference was to do with the concept of cultural identity influencing behaviour.
It's another thread really but there are more non-religious people in the UK now than ever before. This article says only the UK and Iran have clerics in their legislature!!!! humanists.uk/2022/11/29/non-religious-surge-37-tick-no-religion-in-2021-census-uk-among-least-religious-countries-in-the-world/

Yes I was going to mention cultural influence but thought like you it is another thread. Very interesting though.

volver3

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

Crikey.

It is possible to be Muslim and British.

What's going on in people's minds today?

That is not what was asked volver3

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. We both had white husbands. I don't see that my daughter's future husband's ethnicity has anything to do with it. Marriages break down for all sorts of reasons.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and her future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. I didn't say he is a Muslim. I said he comes from a Muslim family - there's a difference. Neither my daughter nor her future husband have any faith. Ethnically, he's an Arab, but culturally he's no different from any other British person. I can't stand the stereotyping, just because people have skin of a different colour.

winterwhite

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

They weren’t just white girls, people keep repeating that, but it’s not true. They were vulnerable girls from a range of different ethnic groups, and in some cases, boys as well.

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I didn't write that he's a Muslim, but that he comes from a Muslim family. Nevertheless, he's ethnically an Arab and his appearance (skin colour) and name reflects that. The people who would like to stereotype and put people in boxes would consider he's Muslim. He's certainly experienced discrimination and my daughter has been the object of snide, racist comments.

He's as much a Muslim as my daughter is a Christian - the difference is that he has brown skin, whereas she has white skin.

Braverman's singling out of the Pakistani grooming gangs will further fuel stereotyping. She should be on a mission to eradicate all child abuse, but she's chosen one small section of it as a weapon in the Conservatives' cultural wars - and it's obvious even from some comments on GN that she's hit home.

Casdon

winterwhite

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

They weren’t just white girls, people keep repeating that, but it’s not true. They were vulnerable girls from a range of different ethnic groups, and in some cases, boys as well.

Oh, don't spoil their story for them! The blinkers have filtered out the truth.

volver3 Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life

What a horrible thing to say about anyone. Imagine if someone had described Nicola Sturgeon thus.

Nicola Sturgeon doesn't victimise Asians for her own ends, dream of deporting people to Rwanda and pretend she doesn't know that refugees get shot there.

How would you describe her?

volver3

Maybe I should have said that my opinion is based on first hand experience. And is meant to apply to one part of a religion, not all people of an entire religion.

Of course white people are also guilty.But we are still mostly a white person nation so it isn't really surprising. People are often really horrible. Not all people but enough to make the world a dodgy place.

One way of surviving is to know how people behave.

I see that some of us just don't want to know the truth that
Not all migrants are wanting to assimilate.

I have had direct experience over four years. Do you? or do you just read about it?

"In a post making sweeping statements about how British Pakistani men behave this sentence wins the prize for Least Self Aware Post of the Week"

So you just insult anyone with a different view to yours do you? Volver3

Pathetic

Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life

Yes, absolutely awful thing to say.
I actually reported that post.
It’s no wonder female MP’s get so much abuse online when you read comments like that on a grandparents site.

It’s no wonder female MP’s get so much abuse online

Fair comment, actually.

Pinkquartz

You said: British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women.
You later said: all of you who think all people are the same are very naive.

If you don’t see the irony in those two statements, I can’t help you.

Some of us don't seem to understand that stereotyping works both ways.
white females can also be judged in ways you might not like.
If you live in your safe ivory tower you will never know how you are perceived. And if your young teen DD or DGD has no connection to certain parts of a town or city you just won't experience what I have.

The point I want to make is why are you so arrogant that your view is the only one? Are you being a bit white supremist ? Thinking you views are the correct ones? Other people se the world differently.
Which is why tyhere is a problem. Different cultures want to live in different ways and not all are tolerant ones.

And if your young teen DD or DGD...

I'm child free.

Also, I don't think you know what "White Supremacist" means. So I won't report you for suggesting that I am one.

Wyllow3

I'm sure Elizabeth McDonnell would feel the same if it were a white grooming gang, Primrose.

Your post proves nothing. We have all agreed that it is is appalling for the victims, that race should to be a consideration in prosecuting.

What you are missing is that was already the case and made very public -*before Bravermans statement*

that is the reason most her have picked up on it, because it IS inflammatory and racist and appeals to the worst in voters. which is her intention, and truly, worries me deeply when we are trying to heal a divided nation.

Exactly *Wyllow3 it IS inflammatory, it IS racist and it IS intentional, the aim is to divide the nation even more so that they have a 'vague chance' of staying in government in the next election, pure and simple.