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A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

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Glorianny Thu 06-Apr-23 19:40:17

On 1st April Suella Braverman wrote in the Daily Mail about grooming gangs and child abuse and said the perpetrators are groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html
The story of 21 people convicted in West Midlands was released on Wednesday 5th April. The perpetrators are all white and are both male and female.
Isn't it time we had a Home Secretary who knew what she was talking about? And one who didn't write inaccurate and racially harmful press releases?

winterwhite Fri 07-Apr-23 17:32:48

Casdon. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:32:50

Volver3

You cannot help me. full stop. You speak without direct experience.

You think you are better than me and you think you are more liberal and tolerant.
But you are not. you are naive and I don't hink you last comment even made sense.

Different cultures have different views. When i wrote all of you.......I meant white so called liberals who lack understanding of other cultures. I believe you think all people are like the English. It is not so.
Open you eyes and see the terrible things done to females in diferent parts if the world.

It is heart breaking.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 17:36:01

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volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 17:36:15

I don't think I'm better than you. I think we're different in many ways though.

I don't think I'm anything like the English. 🤣 (Sorry, joke, no doubt some will get it, some won't..)

So stop making assumptions about me, although it does seem to be a recurring theme with you.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 17:36:30

winterwhite

*Casdon*. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

My opinion is as good as yours.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 17:37:03

volver3

I don't think I'm better than you. I think we're different in many ways though.

I don't think I'm anything like the English. 🤣 (Sorry, joke, no doubt some will get it, some won't..)

So stop making assumptions about me, although it does seem to be a recurring theme with you.

Oi! I'm English! wink

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 17:37:55

Present company excepted, obviously! 🤣

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:38:49

volver3

you confirm my guess that this is broadly hyperthetical for you.
I have strong mother and grandmother emotions that rule and inform my opinions on certain topics.

I won't continue though. too tired now.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 17:39:46

pinkquartz

volver3

you confirm my guess that this is broadly hyperthetical for you.
I have strong mother and grandmother emotions that rule and inform my opinions on certain topics.

I won't continue though. too tired now.

How the heck does being a mother an grandmother make anybody a racist?

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 17:40:18

Sometimes its good to be outside the emotional side of things in order to make sensible decisions.

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:44:54

Yes but sometimes in real life you have to act first.
If it is not hyperthetical and a loved one is in danger instincts rule to protect

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:45:54

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Oreo Fri 07-Apr-23 17:48:05

fancythat

^A Home Office report found that Pakistanis weren't over-represented amongst paedophiles, the overwhelming majority of whom are white British males. Funny how the media didn't have much to say about that report!^

I havent seen the report.

Is it overwhelming because there are 65 million white people and 4 million not? Or whatever the figures are.
Or did the statisitics take that into account? If you see what I mean.

You make a good point there.

It’s well known that British Pakistani groups of men in various cities and towns had been allowed to get away with their grooming gangs as police and teachers and social workers didn’t want to be called racist.The law has to be followed no matter what colour and ethnic background the perps are.
Of course there are white gangs as well but are there less given that the greater amount percentage wise in Britain are white?
No good doing the ‘be kind and non racist’ act when the facts are in front of you.
It’s mainly men in grooming gangs in any case, a true statement.
Hoping that wokery won’t get in the way of future arrests.

Casdon Fri 07-Apr-23 17:48:23

winterwhite

*Casdon*. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

Here’s an account of the case I was thinking of when I said it was often mixed ethnicity winterwhite. Both the perpetrators and the victims were of various ethnic backgrounds.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html
Unfortunately perpetrators find each other, and often work together, age, sex, ethnic group are immaterial to them.

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:48:53

growstuff

If me being heartbroken causes you to be offensive you mut be a very strange and bitter person.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 17:50:31

Putting up
‘Crying with laughter’ emojis on a thread about child abuse is also extremely off.
No matter what the context.

Oreo Fri 07-Apr-23 17:51:43

growstuff

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You and Volver3 are treating this subject as a game, nothing new there, with one upmanship rude comments and jokey emoticons.

Primrose53 Fri 07-Apr-23 18:08:50

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-we-must-accept-ethnicity-matters-in-child-grooming-cases/

The former detective, Maggie Oliver who worked with these thousands of abused girls was horrified to report on TV recently that the Police did not record ethnicity data of victims and offenders! She has now set up a foundation to help and support those raped, passed around, drugged and abused.

MerylStreep Fri 07-Apr-23 18:23:11

Primrose
I started supporting the charity as soon as it was set up.
Maggie keeps you informed of successes they are making.

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 19:12:03

Oreo

growstuff

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You and Volver3 are treating this subject as a game, nothing new there, with one upmanship rude comments and jokey emoticons.

No, this attitude isn't acceptable.

Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist, and side lining other people with perfectly valid views because they are not mothers. The thread is about the unsuitability of our current Home Secretary. But what you choose to complain about is me and growstuff?

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the person who called me a white supremacist.

Skewed priorities.

Oreo Fri 07-Apr-23 19:24:07

I stand by my view of what you and growstuff have been saying.It’s a serious subject not a game with other posters.
You are bound to think that’s not acceptable.
There is no blatant racism or demonising going on, or any sidelining either.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 19:37:29

Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist

comments like this are just goady.

It’s not racist to post facts.
Large numbers of Asian men have been involved in child abuse grooming gangs in recent years.

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 19:39:59

British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women.

Are you being a bit white supremist ?

The side-lining comment has been deleted. Not surprised.

People can make their own minds up.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 19:57:36

Kandinsky

*Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist*

comments like this are just goady.

It’s not racist to post facts.
Large numbers of Asian men have been involved in child abuse grooming gangs in recent years.

So have large numbers of white men!!!!

Why pick on one group?

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 19:58:45

You said ‘posters’ plural.
yet gave one example post that’s been deleted.
What other ‘posters’ comments are you saying are racist?
I just think this needs clarification.