Crucifixion Cartoon in the Times on Good Friday

Aveline

Looks like you just don't understand how others feel.

Well that's why I keep asking... 🤦🏼

As a child, I actually believed that Jesus was the only person who was ever crucified. Then realised there were another two with him, common criminals.

And later that crucifixion was very very common. Mind you, Christians over many centuries have thought nothing of burning alive, and the worst possible tortures and slow deaths by the most cruel of means, and this for other Christians as well as the terrorism and massive destruction of another people during the Crusades.

As for the cartoon- well they are held with string, and with the X - perhaps in poor taste at Easter- but very clever.

Many Jews were crucified at the time.

In antiquity, thousands upon thousands of people were crucified, which at the time was considered to be one of the most brutal and shameful ways to die. In Rome, the crucifixion process was a long one, entailing scourging (more on that later) before the victim was nailed and hung from the cross

I think we are unlikely to agree feeling wise: we can only put our POV - and listen.

I find it deeply offensive.
It was published on Good Friday, a day of supreme importance in the Christian religion.
It is offensive to the three politicians portrayed.
I really do not understand how anyone can defend it.
The perpetrators show a complete lack of respect for other people's beliefs, as have previous cartoons mocking other religions.

the X makes it no better; it is the cross of st andrew because that is how st andrew was crucified.
and i doubt many people under age 50 know of life of brian, or monty python.
the cartoon seems gratuitously offensive.

easybee I agree

I don't think the X is intended to make it "better."

Early on this thread I said I didn't know how I feel about it; I still don't.

But something that can enrage so many people who completely miss the point can't be all bad.

I also agree that it’s offensive to the three politicians depicted.

Volver much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is based on myths, stories, events, and sayings, that have been passed down over thousands of years. Thousands of years! And some of these things appear in some form or other in the New Testament.

I'm guessing that if you are not a Christian, then The Cross is an infinitesimally small thing of little significance. From the Christian perspective, however, it is of the utmost importance. Any visual image of the crucifixion that does not transmit the tragedy of Christ on The Cross, or worse still makes a joke of it, will automatically be seen as disrespectful and tasteless.

maddyone

I also agree that it’s offensive to the three politicians depicted.

Volver much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is based on myths, stories, events, and sayings, that have been passed down over thousands of years. Thousands of years! And some of these things appear in some form or other in the New Testament.

I know maddyone.

So how can anyone say that they are Christian ideas? Christianity borrowed them and pretends its a Christian thing.

"Do as you would be done by" would still be a good thing even if there had been no Christianity.

Joseanne

I'm guessing that if you are not a Christian, then The Cross is an infinitesimally small thing of little significance. From the Christian perspective, however, it is of the utmost importance. Any visual image of the crucifixion that does not transmit the tragedy of Christ on The Cross, or worse still makes a joke of it, will automatically be seen as disrespectful and tasteless.

OK, I understand that.

(That doesn't mean I agree, but I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.)

volver3

I must be difficult to offend..

Hardly. You get pretty hot under the collar when anything to do with Scotland is rubbished or made fun of…...

I think its fine for religion and Scotland to be be made fun of. It's also fine to be offended by either of those things. Its not fine to want to abolish jokes/cartoons about those things

Yes. Yes I do.

Your point?

Some folk are upset about picture of crosses. I get upset about people who mock my country.

Seems ok to me...

Galaxy

I think its fine for religion and Scotland to be be made fun of. It's also fine to be offended by either of those things. Its not fine to want to abolish jokes/cartoons about those things

Despite the fact that I would rather that jokes/cartoons about the crucifixion were not put out on Good Friday, I still agree with this.

volver3

I don't think the X is intended to make it "better."

Early on this thread I said I didn't know how I feel about it; I still don't.

But something that can enrage so many people who completely miss the point can't be all bad.

Seems as if GermanShephardsMum was spot on then.

Free speech is far more important than 'outrage' over religious sensibilities.

volver3

Yes. Yes I do.

Your point?

Gives lie to your claim of being difficult to offend. You come across as pretty thin skinned on here. That’s all….

It wasn't a "claim". It was a basis for a discussion.

But fair enough, As we keep being told, you, like everybody else, are entitled to your opinion.

Volver, where is your country?
I think most people like me, of whatever faith, do not want their beliefs mocked, like gender and race, it’s a matter of respect. True that crucification was used a lot when Jesus lived in that part of the world, doesn’t make it right. Jesus was not aggressive, he preached love and tolerance, even if you do not believe in his preachings, respect that he made the ultimate sacrifice and is alone in the affect he had on the rest of the world, even the calendar world wide dates from his birth. Tell me anyone else that commands that if you can. .

My country is Scotland. If people make fun of it, I'll answer back.

I'm sorry, I really don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities, but there is no historical proof that Jesus existed in the way that many Christians believe that he did, and I'm not a believer.

As for calendars, I point to the Jewish, Muslim, Chinese calendars and many others that don't rely on the existence or not of Jesus to measure their years. It does seem to me that some Christians - and other religions, I'm sure - are blind to the rest of the world and how it operates.

Totally agree with maddyone, and couldn't have put it better. For myself I find it quite sad and tacky that such a horrendous event and Christianity itself are thought to be suitable cartoon material, whereas other faiths are quite rightly, definitely not.

Grantanow

Free speech is far more important than 'outrage' over religious sensibilities.

Yes.

We should consider it to be jolly lucky that we are all able to be offended.

The alternative is pretty devastating. Look at countries like Afghanistan, then understand you are so lucky to be offended.