Identifying as a different gender

No, you're right, I don't. How does it sound?

I don't see anyone being determined to be oppositional, incidentally - it's just that what we say is being twisted, and we are being presented with what are apparently fictional accounts of what happened.

I have repeatedly said that we don't know anything other than what was in the initial report (unless Glorianny has found another one on the subject), but scenarios about ethos, how and why the Head behaved as she did, the wants of the parents, the motives of the children are all being invented so that those of us saying that the teacher got a very raw deal are having our words twisted to suggest that we don't approve of children having a say about anything, which is very far from the truth.

I don't know how much whiteboards/blackboards are used in classrooms nowadays, but whether they are used for projection or writing they are a teaching tool and need to be clean and ready for use at the beginning of each lesson. They are not there for the use of pupils.
Parents who wish their children to have an equal say in how they are educated and how they communicate generally prefer to educate them at home.
GDST are not accepting children who declare as transgender in future although those already in school will be allowed to stay.

How does it sound?

Honest answer you asked for:

Pushy, entitled, immovable, unable to hear reason, unable to understand work policies that work well, unable to identify when the way someone words something could lead to genuine misunderstanding, argumentative, trying to blame glorianny and I for changing discussion direction when we didn't

VioletSky

I don't think people are realising, in their determination to be polar opposite to what either glorianny or I say, just how this all sounds

Is that VS, VS?
I do know what you mean though, and equally,
I don’t think VS & Co are realising, in their determination to be polar opposite to what either any other posters say, just how this all sounds.

Really Mollygo

Because I only talk about this on gransnet and through these threads I found quite a few things I agree with

Yet when I agree on an issue I'm ignored or a small part of my comment is picked apart

That's the truth and it happens every thread...

I think you guys just like a row if I'm being honest, and I'm just not the sort to back down or be cowed

That's how it sounds to you VS.
I could write a list of adjectives about how your posts sound to me but I am not sure how purposeful that would be.

Go for it

galaxy

I don't mind, I'll give it some thought

I'm always looking for ways to navigate these threads better

Pushy, entitled, immovable, unable to hear reason, unable to understand work policies that work well, unable to identify when the way someone words something could lead to genuine misunderstanding, argumentative, trying to blame glorianny and I for changing discussion direction when we didn't

You and Glorianny pushed the conversation into a 'discussion' of bullying, but to be fair it isn't you who does so so determinedly. Thread drift happens, but Glorianny has diversion off to a fine art.

As to the rest, who is to say that those work policies work well - the papers are involved in a dispute between the teacher and the Head, for a start. That's not a good example of harmonious employee relations, is it?

Pushy? I don't really understand that accusation. What are we pushing for?

Argumentative? Maybe, but that's because even when we agree our posts are picked up the wrong way or a small part of them is dragged out for pages, eg when I agreed with Glorianny that IF the teacher was a bad fit for the ethos of the school, which, despite the fact that Glorianny appears to have a clear idea of what it is perfectly mapped out in her imagination, we still don't know about) then she may be right that the teacher and the school are not a good fit. That was a fair point, and I said so. But was there agreement, or any sort of acknowledgement? No, of course not.

Unable to hear reason? Well, who gets to define 'reason'? Many people have said that it seems (given the paucity of information in our possession) very unreasonable to make the teacher apologise to the class (where she was sorry or not), have the Head standing over her, and then to fail to renew her contract. We don't know whether she'd been there for a term or 20 years, but in many ways it doesn't matter.

Speaking for myself, I don't 'like a row', but nor will I watch in silence when my words are being twisted and motives assigned to me that I refute.

Galaxy

That's how it sounds to you VS.
I could write a list of adjectives about how your posts sound to me but I am not sure how purposeful that would be.

It would probably closely resemble my list.

Well TBH it's Glorianny who appears to be being argumentative by twisting what's been written here and addressing posters with things that they haven't even said.

I haven't seen any genuine misunderstanding, just a desire to do the above.

I think that's fair comment Mollygo, if there is a desire to be polar opposite, it certainly isn't one sided.

A lot of us are having our comments picked apart VS which happens and I don't have a problem with, but I do find having what I say twisted or fabricated extremely irritating which Glorianny is doing in spades.

VioletSky

Really Mollygo

Because I only talk about this on gransnet and through these threads I found quite a few things I agree with

Yet when I agree on an issue I'm ignored or a small part of my comment is picked apart

That's the truth and it happens every thread...

I think you guys just like a row if I'm being honest, and I'm just not the sort to back down or be cowed

Yes really VS
Everything you posted in the quote above fits exactly how your responses seem to me.

Particularly your last two paragraphs.

Cool

You've made your dislike of me apparent on many threads Mollygo, so I have accepted thats the status quo

You've made your dislike of me apparent on many threads VS, so I have accepted that’s the status quo.
Cool? 🤣🤣🤣

I actually haven't Mollygo because I don't dislike you, only some behaviours

VioletSky

I actually haven't Mollygo because I don't dislike you, only some behaviours

🤣🤣
You don’t know me, so your dislike or otherwise is meaningless.
Your behaviours and vs are what I dislike about you, so no problem there either.
Before you flounce off (a behaviour I dislike) I’m just off to walk the dog so post what you like for a while. 🥱🥱

Have a nice walk Mollygo

Well apparently explanations are argumentative now.
And every time someone posts something that agrees with something I've said I'm supposed to post a thank you or something.
I don't do that. Not even for people whose views regularly coincide with mine. So sorry if you are that needy you'll just have to go on wanting.
I've given clear reasons about how or why things could have happened the way they did. If you don't agree with those it's up to you. And as you have all said it's all speculation anyway. But as we are speculating I prefer not to to blame children, accuse a HT of bullying or support a teacher who manifestly didn't know or recognise when she breached the guidelines of the school she was teaching in.
The importance of sticking to guidelines appears elsewhere on this thread.

And every time someone posts something that agrees with something I've said I'm supposed to post a thank you or something.
I don't do that. Not even for people whose views regularly coincide with mine. So sorry if you are that needy you'll just have to go on wanting.
Do you know, I knew that would be your response .
That was simply an example in reply to VS saying that anyone not agreeing with the two of you is ‘argumentative’. My point was that even when we do, you just pick on something else to argue with. As in this case - ignore the rest of the post, but suggest I am ‘needy’ in response to one small part of mine. It’s ok - I really don’t need validation from you.

How can people agree with your speculations? That is all they are. We have said that children writing pronouns on a board to tell the teacher how to behave, a Head standing over a member of staff whilst she apologises, not renewing her contract when it was expected that it would be renewed are all things with which we (separately) do not agree. All of those things are based on the report, and posts have repeatedly pointed out that all of this is AFAWK. But in order to argue you have built a whole dramatic reenactment of the situation and told us we are all wrong, we have said things we didn’t, and that we meant things we never said. This is typical and so very tedious.

G&t
And every time someone posts something that agrees with something I've said I'm supposed to post a thank you or something.

This looks like another of your ideas to give you something to complain about.

You don’t do it. You don’t have to do it. But evidently you do have to post about the fact that you’re not going to do it.
Why?
Are you so desperate for a response (I think the word you chose was needy) that you now have to tell everyone what you’re not going to do.

In never arguing

In polite and respectful to everyone who is polite and respectful

Every time I see my name ina comment, if it's polite and respectful, why wouldn't I reciprocate

It’s all mad, pandering to these people.

Allsorts thanks, I’ve caught up with the exchanges here and was losing the will to contribute but your comment made me 😄

I understand and agree with posts by doodle , Galaxy, smiles and mollygo. It follows I’m bemused by glory and Violet. Being in this place on these threads is familiar.

Now I really know why I object to the gender critical.
Unable to take an objective view of anything because of their GC views.
Unable to separate their GC views from any situation
Unable therefore to do anything but condemn those who don't agree with their GC views.
As I said I don't care what the reason for this dispute was. The basic principles of shared responsibility and the importance of teachers fitting in with the ethos of the school remain the same whatever the issue.

Which translated means, people who don't agree with me are wrong.
Also, you do not know what the ethos of the school is, because you do not know which of the GDST schools it is.

Also, your views are hardly objective - they are based on an invented scenario that you’ve made up to suit them!