Identifying as a different gender

Big Louis, please tell more about your interesting nephew, if you can. What is his background?

This particular nationality had formed unfortunate cliques at our hospital .
Everyone was scared of complaining because "the racist card would be played "
And it was .

I'm glad that I complained , because something was done about it .

I didn't say that all nurses from that particular country were rude and had poor nursing standards .

Yes ,what's happened to Gransnet ?

Volver, I know from personal experience one may be broad minded about one matter and narrow minded about another.

Esmay, it's just as well that some courageous individual can say when the emperor is naked. ( This should have happened before ethnic gangs exploited young girls for sex.) There is such a thing as competing cultures and it's stupid to ignore that fact.

Thank you , Caleo .

There isn’t a physical threat to a girl identifying as a boy or anything else, so they are all female, however I suspect this was a prank by the girls played on the teacher

If future it’s easy to say “Good Morning Pupils”, or “students”.

All Girls boarding schools do have intimate relationships develop and some girls are “butch” but they are all female.

volver3

Good grief...

Not broad minded? Are you kidding me?

So today I've complained on another thread about someone calling my fellow countrymen dumb, and I've pointed out here that somebody has exhibited racism. On both occasions I have been maligned by posters who think I'm in the wrong.

What's happened to Gransnet?

How is it racism? Esmay said the rude nurses were a group of the same nationality. Is that not a fact? It doesn't mean everyone from that country is rude and perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

Your post: ... I complained about the appalling rudeness and poor nursing standards of a particular nationality at our local hospital

Hence you complained that a particular nationality were rude and had poor nursing standards.

Not the people you had met, not a particular, specific named group, you complained that people of a certain nationality were rude and had poor standards.

Now when Caleo says I am not broad minded, I have to assume she thinks that I don't know that other cultures have different ideas about what constitutes acceptable behaviour, or that nurse training isn't the same in all countries and cultures.

It would have been possible to point out that you could see a pattern of behaviours that you didn't think was acceptable; but Esmay, you link it to their nationality, which is not how we behave these days. I don't believe you were brave. I believe that you were discriminatory.

..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

And I noticed that they were mixed in with the other nurses and not allowed to form groups congregating around nurses stations - not answering people complaining about their work , the patients , their visitors, the ward manager , their salary /conditions plus being rude and rough with the patients.

What? This and 'the race card'?

Seriously, Esmay, if you can't see how offensive this is, I am shocked. Calling people 'they' is bad enough, but complaining about how people were 'mixed in with other nurses' is really 'othering' whichever nationality the nurses were from. Why wouldn't nationalities be 'mixed'? If people of the same background stick together, isn't that likely to be because they share a language and find it easier to talk to one another?

Also, referring to 'the race card' is minimising racism, and reducing the fight against it to a game played by people who want to use race to gain an advantage and 'win'.

You say that something was done about it - what was done?

Katie59 : no it was not a physical threat for the girl to be identifying as a different gender and you could be correct that this was some sort of prank but it got out of hand. The result being that the teacher was then reprimanded by the head of the school and completely humiliated by having to apologize to the children for her use of the word "girls".
The head-teacher handled this very badly and has given the school bad publicity. The fees must be high for this boarding school and it has had it's name dragged down to the old type school St. Trinians which was far less posh than the parents who chose to send their children there thought.

It's an expensive boarding school now, is it?

No conclusion unjumped...

It looks like you played the “Race Card” here, Esmay and it was definitely racist. Just in the way you have defended yourself seems to show you really don’t comprehend what racism is.

Actually , I know exactly what racism feels like .
I experienced it physically defending my friends .

And I've suffered racist attacks against myself .

volver3

^..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.^

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

What?

Esmay

Actually , I know exactly what racism feels like .
I experienced it physically defending my friends .

And I've suffered racist attacks against myself .

Sorry to hear that.

But can't you see what I mean about the term 'playing the race card', and about calling people 'they'?

It's amazing how disruptive one little word can be, isn't it?

It can be used to 'other' people of different nationalities, and also be both a plural pronoun and a pronoun of choice for a single person that can be used to exercise power over those who prefer not to use it.

kircubbin2000

volver3

..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

What?

English nurses? Not Scottish ones? Or Welsh ones?

Lower standards? Not different standards? Not with emphasis in different areas?

People really don't understand what their thought processes tell us about them.

I see your point , Doodledog .

Absolutely no offence was meant from me .

And this is my last reply .

People really don't understand what their thought processes tell us about them.
Exactly Volver!😁

I'm a bit gobsmacked by some of the comments on here, to be honest. Wow...I'm going to leave it at that.

If the young person wants to be treated as a non girl they should not attend a school specifically identifying for girls.

3nanny6

Katie59 : no it was not a physical threat for the girl to be identifying as a different gender and you could be correct that this was some sort of prank but it got out of hand. The result being that the teacher was then reprimanded by the head of the school and completely humiliated by having to apologize to the children for her use of the word "girls".
The head-teacher handled this very badly and has given the school bad publicity. The fees must be high for this boarding school and it has had it's name dragged down to the old type school St. Trinians which was far less posh than the parents who chose to send their children there thought.

It simply wouldn’t faze me, I would simply apologize for being non PC in assembly and commit to calling everyone pupils in future

As for parents I would expect most of them would see it for the nonsense it is, St Trinians is a good comparison

If someone has actually observed and can give chapter and verse that in that ward all the nurses of one ethnicity displayed the same antisocial characteristics in how they interacted with patients and with other ethnicities, then they are justified in lumping them all together when complaining about them. It it the behaviour that is objected to, not the ethnicity.

If it is impossible to complain about someone's (or several people's) behaviour because of their colour, nationality or ethnicity, then it can easily become a kind of reverse racism - similar to the attitude that was expected in the US in past years, when people stood back to let others go first just because they were white and others were not.

So the teacher wasn't sacked

It's easy to say "good morning all"

It's easy to let children have a tiny bit of space to establish their authentic selves

Adults in schools have been dealing with all sorts of transition phases for years and should just seek solace in their training when needed because children don't just wake up one morning at the point of puberty or adulthood sure of their identity in life

No problem really, just a little thought and it's all solved

My child is a teacher at senior school (state). She has five classes a day to teach with more than 30 students in each class. 150 at least per day, sometimes in the week she sees them more than once. It takes time to get to know them and their foibles. Frankly, after Covid her school is much more worried about them catching up lost education and returning once decent behaviour to its norm. This sort of nonsense makes children too powerful and gives them ideas. All parties in this have acted in an irresponsible manner in my opinion. Give the students the idea that they can get one over on you and they certainly will. Students often try to intimate my adult child (good luck with that), heads need to support staff and everyone needs to sort themselves out and stop being ridiculous. I notice the smaller children in my local school (no further details put here) have started to gang up on a particular teacher (who is standing in for another teacher). They are constantly gossiping about her and saying she should be sacked. These children are 8. Why? She’s a big lady and quite loud. Parents have a duty to stop this in its tracks, what message are we giving to our young these days?