Identifying as a different gender

True. Nothing anyone posts really influences anyone else's behaviour, attitudes or prejudices. Let's be realistic, it is all just a way of filling in time. Those who can, do. Those who can't, rant about it.

I've changed a hell of a lot discussing things online

Why wouldn't people have an open mind and grow as a person?

Good morning everyone is enough, my name is Smythe and I identify as a 'them' don't call me 'Miss' - is this what schools want these days?

Joyfulnanna

Good morning everyone is enough, my name is Smythe and I identify as a 'them' don't call me 'Miss' - is this what schools want these days?

Not schools, just certain pupils.

Oh please volver your posts are totally designed to cause arguement - a little self awareness wouldn't go amiss here.

I don't see volver start threads

Really?

I started a thread about Race Around the World and one about Johnny Rotten's wife.

Terribly controversial, I know.

If my posts cause arguments, then it seems people want to argue with the real world, and would rather wallow in misinformation and superstition.

Not my fault.

Hearsay, not superstition.

Sorry, hadn't had a coffee yet!

V3 you’ve started lots of threads. People do. Shame they’ve gone unnoticed by VS. Do you really start them to cause arguments?

I haven't though.

Try checking 😀

However will we be able to trust anything you say in future when you can't even get that right? 🤔

I simply googled threads started by Volver-in whichever guise you appeared. Had you forgotten?

Find any?

There was the exaggeration one, true enough, in my previous incarnation, Does 3 count as "lots" now?

Strange that, given that 45% doesn't count as nearly half...

Sorry 62Granny, your thread is completely derailed.

VioletSky

Blondiescot

When it comes to 'woke' being used as an insult, I'm firmly with Kathy Burke: "“They’re calling you ‘woke’ if you call out bad things, basically. If you’re not racist, you’re woke. If you’re not homophobic, oh, you’re woke. Be woke, kids. Be woke. Be wide awake and f***ing call it out.”

Love her

Slightly off subject, but I must say that when people call me 'woke', I feel truly complimented.
Being woke seems to mean that I care about other people, of all colours and creeds and from any part of the world. Try to give what I can to help those who are homeless, sick, etc. Love most of my fellow hums (okay with exception of current government).

Carbonated

We need to be careful of assuming a child aught to leave if they 'identify' as the other gender. They are still legally and have the physical serial attributes of, the 'gender' they were born with
If it is a boy 'identifying' as a girl, should they be made to leave and potentially then join a girls school, but still retain the physical sexual characteristics of a boy? If I had a daughter in a girls school, I'd rather not be faced with that situation.
Let's not forget that gender is what you think you are, it's not what you actually are. Your sex is what you are. Unless of course you actually change it.
(A bit like me 'identifying' as a supermodel, but knowing I'm not actually one!)

‘ Unless you actually change it’?

Surely you can’t do this, and you will always have the XX or XY chromosomes, no matter what cosmetic procedures or hormone therapy you undergo?

The class would have hated it even more if they'd been addressed as Good Morning Children.

Good morning everyone

Good morning all

Good morning class

Or just

Good morning

That doesnt really address the issue.
Wheres Lucy?
She has just popped to the office.
Staff will at times refer to children in a way that identifies their sex.

volver I seem to remember you started a thread about knitting. You showed us a picture of a lovely jumper you knitted.

Sorry, derailing thread, as you were……

Do we really have to have the discussion about all the gender neutral pronouns that have been in use since the days of Shakespear again? Or the fact that you can just leave them out?

Where is Lucy?

They just popped to the office

Popped to the office I think

Gone to the office

I saw them just now on their way to the office

I always do this if unsure of someone's pronouns and it takes 0 effort or thought

How did other teachers at the school address a class? Did no one else say 'good morning/afternoon girls' and if not, wasn't this particular teacher made aware of this?

Yes they will Galaxy unless Lucy's said she wants to known as Luke, and/or he or them.

Elegran

True. Nothing anyone posts really influences anyone else's behaviour, attitudes or prejudices. Let's be realistic, it is all just a way of filling in time. Those who can, do. Those who can't, rant about it.

I would agree to differ.

May start a thread on that sometime if no one else chooses to. Or you could start one.

op. Personally, [and I recogise I am not likely to ever be in the teacher's position, nor have the freedom of choice] I would want to carry on saying "Good morning girls" or whatever.

And as Daddima says, can anyone really change their chromosones.

But I would want to be polite to those who want to change gender. Some of them are quite mixed up, from what little I know.

I’ve only just caught this thread, so I’m not reading seven pages of it or I’ll be here all day.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think teachers should be sacked or denied an extension of contract because of saying ‘good morning girls’ or whatever, but teachers should accept that they may need to change their language when these types of circumstances arise. I always said ‘good morning children’ but my classes were young children, ‘good morning everyone’ should suffice for older children. No big deal. As for making the young pupil leave because it’s an all girls school, well I think that very cruel. She is still a girl and probably feeling confused. To put her in a boys school would not be helpful at all, in my opinion.

This thread (apart from being a bit of an overreaction because of untruths I'm not blaming anyone for) seems to be about, how we navigate these situations.

Unless we actively want to alienate others...

Many solutions are available