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Will You Pledge Allegiance?

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vegansrock Sun 30-Apr-23 07:34:47

Apparently we are all supposed to stand up in front of our tellys and pledge allegiance to the King saying stuff like “ May the King live forever”
Will you me doing it? Me neither, I’ll be in the garden hopefully.
What does “pledge allegiance” even mean in the 21st century? Before royalist pile in, yes I do know it has its roots a few hundred years ago, and it’s taken from a Handel anthem , but , honestly , that’s no excuse is it? We’re not in the Brownies fgs.

Jaberwok Tue 02-May-23 17:58:34

Why all the indignant fuss? This was suggested by Justin Welby, not the King, it's an INVITATION, not a COMMAND, so if you don't want to that's ok,if you do, then that's ok too. What's to get upset about? No one is making anyone do anything and it couldn't matter less.

janetsp Tue 02-May-23 18:02:08

No thank you. I’ll pass….

Arto1s Tue 02-May-23 18:03:28

Yes, I think I will.

Dickens Tue 02-May-23 18:03:59

Geraldine7651

No, I’m not pledging to anyone who throws their toys out because a pen leaked.
His first duty to sign as king and he threw his toys out in front of mills watching on TV.

That was hugely embarrassing. It made me cringe.

My partner, who's Swedish (and republican), said, "I can't believe your late Queen would've done that". We both agreed that she'd probably have made a wry comment, but would've behaved with dignity on such a public occasion and curbed any irritation she might have felt.

Perhaps the long wait to become King has frayed his nerves!

Keffie12 Tue 02-May-23 18:04:17

Who can be voted out just as they did with Trump. There is no option with a hereditary monarchy.

Incase anyone else is wondering. NO! It won't be on in our home either.

When the Queen passed that was the end of the monarchy for me

mabon1 Tue 02-May-23 18:09:09

Allegiance to an adulterer, wealthy, privileged, entitled man who hasn't had a real job in 74 years and has a servant to put paste on his toothbrush. Never

Madashell Tue 02-May-23 18:10:41

Already sworn - just the two words

Sennelier1 Tue 02-May-23 18:34:24

No I will not pledge alliance. That date, day and time I,will most probably be laying in the floor with my grandchildren visiting from abroad. I might even miss the whole coronation.

Iam64 Tue 02-May-23 18:40:05

No I will not. I haven’t strong republican sympathies, don’t feel entirely confident we’d replace the monarch with anything reliable. I’m not pledging allegiance though, it’s 2023 not the 17th century

Farzanah Tue 02-May-23 18:44:27

The serfs are being nicely distracted with circuses but no bread on offer, hence the hundreds of food banks in the country. 🎪🥖

Poppyred Tue 02-May-23 18:54:19

What a nasty and misleading thread…..

JudyBloom Tue 02-May-23 19:29:06

Certainly not!

Jaberwok Tue 02-May-23 19:42:06

Absolutely agree with you Poppyred. So unnecessary to be so unpleasant and childish. As for the pen incident, Charles had just lost both his parents. Those of us have lost much loved parents, his mother only the previous day, can well understand that having to perform in public would have been very difficult and a leaky pen could well have grated on already frayed nerves. The leaky pen should never have happened and I felt very sorry for the new King being subjected to an obvious oversight. Adulterer??! Oh for goodness sake, not that old chesnut again. Over half the population is guilty of that! As has been said, This is not a command, merely an invitation, so get over yourselves with the faux indignation.

Farzanah Tue 02-May-23 19:49:07

Poppyred

What a nasty and misleading thread…..

What is “misleading” about this thread? Just because posters may not agree doesn’t equate to “nastiness”.

Jaberwok Tue 02-May-23 19:58:18

Differences of opinion are one thing, accompanied by unpleasant comments are just that, unpleasant and often nasty.

Shizam Tue 02-May-23 20:22:25

Russia got rid of their royal family. Look at how well that’s going with a republican head of state.
Assuming Charles doesn’t declare war on someone, think we are better with the devil we know.
And the daft oath of allegiance pledge was Canterbury bishop trying to be a bit modern. 🥹

Jaberwok Tue 02-May-23 20:31:44

Exactly Shizam , that's exactly what it is. Nothing to get upset about.

GrumpyGrandy Tue 02-May-23 21:08:12

Of course I will pledge allegiance to the monarch, I am proud to be English and indeed also from Yorkshire.

nadateturbe Tue 02-May-23 21:09:14

Caleo

I think Princess Anne is right: the monarchy does bring continuity and therefore stability. However the Windsor family does shoot itself in the foot for being so rich in landed resources.

The Windsors need good salaries from the public purse but they should be stripped of the enormity of their inherited wealth as should other super-rich individuals. Land should be held by the citizens, for the citizens, and not for the benefit of any rich elite.

Good post Caleo.

Callistemon21 Tue 02-May-23 21:10:56

nadateturbe

Caleo

I think Princess Anne is right: the monarchy does bring continuity and therefore stability. However the Windsor family does shoot itself in the foot for being so rich in landed resources.

The Windsors need good salaries from the public purse but they should be stripped of the enormity of their inherited wealth as should other super-rich individuals. Land should be held by the citizens, for the citizens, and not for the benefit of any rich elite.

Good post Caleo.

Except that the theory might be interesting to think about but it never works in practice.

Galaxy Tue 02-May-23 21:13:25

I am not indignant, I think it's hilarious, but I think that about most of the RF soap opera.

FreedomAwaits Tue 02-May-23 21:31:10

Me too @eazybee. Can’t actually see what the harm is/ all the fuss is about.

singingnutty Tue 02-May-23 22:00:49

I am sure we will have the telly on but certainly won’t be pledging allegiance. We shall be celebrating, however, because eldest DGS is 18 on that day and second youngest DGS is 8 on the Monday so the family will be here for buffet lunch, birthday cake and probably a few glasses of something.

HettyBetty Tue 02-May-23 22:33:21

Jaberwok I agree, many people have committed adultery (although not me) but they are not wanting to be held up as some sort of superior being, or have a ludicrously expensive ego party.

Nannan2 Wed 03-May-23 00:01:43

No.Just no.(whoever keeps thinking up these ideas must be losing their grasp on reality....)