Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

They haven’t done a poll round here where I live Casdon
Polls are all very well but people often tell porkies when doing them.Everyone I know and work with feels differently when talking freely to one another and I bet it’s the same nationwide.

Germanshepherdsmum

Oreo

Annie1 is saying what so many people think and that includes lots of Labour voters too.

Indeed she is. And having to suffer the usual insults for that from the unrepresentative few.

The unrepresentative few as you call them are as representative as you are though Germanshepherdsmum. It’s a polarising issue.

growstuff

Which LSE postgrad?

What’s the relevance of that? To graduate from the LSE or be accepted on their postgrad courses speaks for itself,

Well I was laughed at for dissing an LSE postgraduate.

I'd like to know who that person was.

growstuff Mon 15-May-23 17:20:26
Annie1

Why do you have to resort to strawman arguments?

The "left" is not prepared to
welcome
anybody
from anywhere.

There are many people who recognise the UK's obligations under international law and they are by no means all "left-wing" anyway.

Are you seriously suggesting that all Muslims are hotheads or that there aren't non-Muslim hotheads? If you are, shame on you!

Where is your evidence that the majority of the population agrees with Jo Cox? Have you ever spoken to a cross section of the population?

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Not Jo Cox … sadly not possible but the sister of

Growstuff,
I do NOT suggest all Muslims are hotheads, but the scenes in Batley were not edifying and I draw attention to the teachers plight because he should not suffer the fear and inability to work because of those 'Hotheads' I did say the present MP is the sister of poor Jo Cox, (who was murdered by an evil man)
I did think the current MP has a duty to her sister and to the teacher in hiding to restore race relations in Batley. That teacher is alive and ought to be able to resume work without fear for his life.
I accept that the international law regarding asylum is still in place, but understand it was ratified after WW2 and the situation now is very much different. I also accept it is not easy to recognise who is a a genuine refugee and who is an economic migrant as people destroy their documents on entry. i also know that some asylum seekers have family already settled in UK but there has to be a way of carrying out checks more quickly. Where are all these people going to live? Will they learn English and accept our open, liberal society? People tend to live in ghettos where there are others they can mingle with easily...i could go on but as i have mentioned I have a big family problem I am helping with and I must phone Australia so do not think I will not reply when I can!

Germanshepherdsmum

I suspect the lorry drivers and fruit pickers tend not to come on dinghies Grantanow. These are people who would apply for a visa.

But they're not refugees. They are people who get 6 month visa, come over, work hard and then take their savings back to their home country. Of course, many of them come from Eastern European countries and so are perfectly acceptable to those bigoted Brits on here.

Why is it that some people feel it necessary to constantly remind us that they are graduates from here or there (even post grads in some cases) or lawyers?

I think it’s called provocation…

And a lot of people arriving on boats are not refugees but economic migrants Dinahmo.
Farmers round here rely on the seasonal workers from Europe, they do a good job and go back home at the end of the season. Their contribution is valued. Is there any need to suggest that those who value their work are bigoted?

Gossamerbeynon I don't know which programme you were listening to, but I live in East Kent, on the coast and it's very nice, thank you. Boats don't dominate our conversations - we have lots of good things to talk about.

Dinahmo

Why is it that some people feel it necessary to constantly remind us that they are graduates from here or there (even post grads in some cases) or lawyers?

Or scientists?

Just for information..

You trying to make fun of someone loses its impact if that person has already made fun of themselves.

Oreo

Dinahmo

Why is it that some people feel it necessary to constantly remind us that they are graduates from here or there (even post grads in some cases) or lawyers?

Or scientists?

Or dentists, that’s another favourite! 😉

growstuff

Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum

The government has to house the people arriving in boats doesn’t it volver? Isn’t it understandable that those on the streets, in B&Bs, in substandard rented property is going to be angry that these people are given accommodation in hotels? It’s now being said that the former barracks proposed to be used instead of hotels isn’t up to standard. Unsurprisingly as it’s been empty for years, but still a damn sight better than what some have to put up with.

I’m still waiting for some indication as to how we can deal with our own population’s housing and other problems at the same time as looking after people arriving in droves in boats, which you claimed could be achieved. We are accepting everyone who arrives until such time as their applications for asylum are refused, are we not? Housing them, giving them money, doubtless providing healthcare if needed, educating the children…

What percentage of the total migrants arrive ‘in droves on boats’? Last years figures will do.

The Home Office reckons it's usually 6% of all immigrants, but last year was an exception for a number of reasons and it was 11% - still a small percentage of the total.

By the way, I think people are a tad confused. They're lumping together child abusers from an Asian background, most of whom most certainly did not arrive by small boat and some were born in the UK, and those who have arrived on small boats. It seems that any excuse to bash Muslims will do!

The gang rapists of hundreds and hundreds of white girls were mainly second generation Pakistanis.

If there is any confusion it may be because we know nothing at all about those who arrive on boats as they have destroyed their passports and personal papers as directed by their people smugglers. So we have no idea whether they are murderers, rapists, escaped convicts, their age, their ethnicity, nothing. Come to that they have no evidence that they are qualified in any profession or trade so how does that work if they expect to find work?

Volver, I have that MSc from LSE. You understood that perfectly well.

I did not.

I see your MSc and raise you my PhD. (I have an MSc as well. Both in proper science, not social science).

But not from the exalted and rarified air of the LSE, of course.

I've got a GCE in Sociology (it's a lie, I don't). Can I have an opinion or am I not qualified enough?

😂

Anniel

Volver, I have that MSc from LSE. You understood that perfectly well.

I would have thought that the LSE would have taught its students to argue more coherently, based on facts. It's quite disappointing to see that its standards are so low.

Primrose53

growstuff

Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum

The government has to house the people arriving in boats doesn’t it volver? Isn’t it understandable that those on the streets, in B&Bs, in substandard rented property is going to be angry that these people are given accommodation in hotels? It’s now being said that the former barracks proposed to be used instead of hotels isn’t up to standard. Unsurprisingly as it’s been empty for years, but still a damn sight better than what some have to put up with.

I’m still waiting for some indication as to how we can deal with our own population’s housing and other problems at the same time as looking after people arriving in droves in boats, which you claimed could be achieved. We are accepting everyone who arrives until such time as their applications for asylum are refused, are we not? Housing them, giving them money, doubtless providing healthcare if needed, educating the children…

What percentage of the total migrants arrive ‘in droves on boats’? Last years figures will do.

The Home Office reckons it's usually 6% of all immigrants, but last year was an exception for a number of reasons and it was 11% - still a small percentage of the total.

By the way, I think people are a tad confused. They're lumping together child abusers from an Asian background, most of whom most certainly did not arrive by small boat and some were born in the UK, and those who have arrived on small boats. It seems that any excuse to bash Muslims will do!

The gang rapists of hundreds and hundreds of white girls were mainly second generation Pakistanis.

If there is any confusion it may be because we know nothing at all about those who arrive on boats as they have destroyed their passports and personal papers as directed by their people smugglers. So we have no idea whether they are murderers, rapists, escaped convicts, their age, their ethnicity, nothing. Come to that they have no evidence that they are qualified in any profession or trade so how does that work if they expect to find work?

It's not confusion at all. It's deliberate lumping together of two different groups to manipulate an argument.

Growstuff exactly what points are you trying to make in relation to Anniel’s empirical data?

ronib

Growstuff exactly what points are you trying to make in relation to Anniel’s empirical data?

I'm struggling to find this empirical data., ronib. When was it posted?

MaizieD well cut to the chase. What do you find difficult to understand in relation to Anniel’s analysis?

ronib

Growstuff exactly what points are you trying to make in relation to Anniel’s empirical data?

That is opinion, not empirical data.

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