Very little of the Brexit wall remains it seems to me

Politicians can be pretty dumb. Either that or they have vested interests which are, of course, undeclared. It always struck me that Brexit was for very rich British businessmen who were behind the scenes manipulating the populace and playing on fears.

The awful right wing media are blaming the Civil Service blob for the backpedaling on trashing EU laws but it's quite obvious Sunak has come to recognise the utility of the vast amount of EU-based regulation and the efficiency drag that attempting to repeal all of it would have on his failing government. Lobbying by business has finally got through to the Tories except for the loony section of backbenchers. The Civil Service is rather like the BBC - it helps keep us sane.

Keeping us sane - that's why the govt are trashing the BBC and the Civil Service - they don't want us to understand exactly what they are doing to the country.

Am unsure about this Whitewavemark2 I didn’t want Brexit either but think the slowness is down to civil servants, not their fault but there are so many EU laws to be untangled this will take a long time to do.
As to changing any laws to be in step with the EU which one was it? Perhaps one that was wanted?
I also doubt there will be free movement of people ever again but there could be room to make sure certain people, scientists for example are able to come and go freely.
A lot of Brexit remains then really doesn’t it, not a little however much people may want it to be otherwise.

My problem is that I don’t know which laws have been retained and which abandoned and the rationale. I don’t have the resources or time to work out how 3000 laws remain intact on the statute book. Any more sound information?

It is because trashing them would cause even more massive damage, not because of Civil Servants (although they may be a minor factor- and because they know the damage it will cause).

Don’t listen to people like Andrea “the blob” Leadson - it is only the hard line brexiters, who refuse to listen to the electorate that are casting around for someone to blame.

The government is slowly waking up to the idiocy.

Over 60% now want to reverse Brexit, and just over 30% still are in favour. Rest not sure what to think.

And some people still shout 'but it is a democratic choice' - even though it has been proven absolutely clearly that a) it was based on lies b) no-one knew what form Brexit would take c) there was massive interference from abroad - to such an extent that the Electoral Commission would have had to cancel it, had it not be just advisory.

And still they shout 'Democracy' - so so Trump like.

Sorry that sentence was badly constructed. I hope you can make sense if it!

Perfectly clear, thanks.

Contest their politics not call them names…

GrannyGravy13

Contest their politics not call them names…

I was quoting Andrea Leadson herself - yesterday she called the civil servants “the blob” - they have no recourse of reply. Easy target for someone trying to find someone to blame.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Contest their politics not call them names…

I was quoting Andrea Leadson herself - yesterday she called the civil servants “the blob” - they have no recourse of reply. Easy target for someone trying to find someone to blame.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Calling a group of people a blob is childish.

Calling an individual a blob is both childish and insulting.

Ok - but I wasn’t calling her “the blob” merely using it as a quote.

But if you interpreted it that way - I apologise - and hope it is now just one wrong😄😄

Mum😄😄😄😄

Whitewavemark2

Ok - but I wasn’t calling her “the blob” merely using it as a quote.

But if you interpreted it that way - I apologise - and hope it is now just one wrong😄😄

Sorry Whitewavemark2 I have absolutely no problem with critiquing anyone’s politics or actions, I just feel uncomfortable with personal insults whoever they are.

If that was not your intention I apologise 😘

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The Civil Service is rather like the BBC - it helps keep us sane.

I said the other day that it doesn't really matter if Ministers do change Departments - they should be listening to their civil servants, who are qualified to give the best and most sound advice and will rapidly bring them up to speed, if they are prepared to listen.

ronib

My problem is that I don’t know which laws have been retained and which abandoned and the rationale. I don’t have the resources or time to work out how 3000 laws remain intact on the statute book. Any more sound information?

The whole lot were retained, ronib. As far as I'm aware none have been superceeded.

So far nearly 5,000 of our laws that were affected by the EU have been identified by those hard working civil servants whom the tories are demonising, and there are probably more.

It was always a completely irresponsible proposal, though typical of the staggering irresponsibility of Brexit and all that has arisen from it.

Not only irresponsible but the original bill handed over massive powers to the Executive, in complete contravention of the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty. It really proposed to bypass any scrutiny by MP s and Lords. I.e. to do away with their prime function.

MaizieD It did occur to me recently that with all these thousands of laws in existence, do I dare move out of my front door? I haven’t a clue as to what I may or may not do.
Ian Dunt’s book is arriving tomorrow!
Was the original bill a Boris brainwave ? Yes quite extraordinary times.

Ps not entirely true.. I know that we can’t keep chickens in our garden.

Seems not a Boris initiative but introduced by Liz Truss. Say no more?

That can’t be an EU law though. Every other person in Europe seems to keep chickens.

And no few small numbers in the U.K.

Blimey Lindsey Hoyle has found some neither regions and absolutely laid into Badenoch over her behaviour - asking her “who does she think she is talking to”