The Johnsons baby announcement

MayBee70

I didn’t realise that devout Roman Catholics approved of having affairs with married men

Oh, I think that the rules don't apply to Johnson. How on earth they managed to wangle marriage in an RC church is a mystery... Divorced and adulterous...

Isn’t it because he became a Catholic too? (I think he did…)

M0nica

Callistemon No need to worry about population concerns. Most countries in the world have reproduction rates that are close replacement and most advanced countries, including the UK have a birth rate below replacement.

What is causing the current burgeoning population figures is us - you know, old people, we are living far longer than the generations before us, again not so obvious in this country although the number of people living until their 90s is very obvious, but even more so in less well off countrie, in Asia and South America.

Come the middle of the century when our generation have gone and the number of very old people, although high, will no longer be increasing, then the increase of world population is expected to sow down ans stabilise and by the beginning of the next century, may well be falling.

This is, as I understand it, is the situation re population. In this country the birth rate is falling and the powers that be are concerned about it because there won’t be enough tax payers soon to support the elderly and others who need state support, but in particular, the elderly.

MayBee70

Isn’t it because he became a Catholic too? (I think he did…)

No. Boris was baptised Catholic as a baby because his late mother Charlotte was a Catholic.

However, he abandoned Catholicism and converted to the Church of England when he was at Eton.
(Maybe because he knew that a Catholic PM was problematic -eyes on the prize from an early age).

The reason given for his marriage in a Catholic Church being possible was that it was due to his Catholic baptism as a baby.

Where his two divorces and children out of wedlock come into it, I don’t know.

Cake and eat it as per usual

Leaving aside the fact that 'tax payers' do not finance the country, we have plenty of fit young people wanting to settle in the UK and work but our government is determined to prevent them from doing so.

Are you on the right thread Maizie?

FannyCornforth

MayBee70

Isn’t it because he became a Catholic too? (I think he did…)

No. Boris was baptised Catholic as a baby because his late mother Charlotte was a Catholic.

However, he abandoned Catholicism and converted to the Church of England when he was at Eton.
(Maybe because he knew that a Catholic PM was problematic -eyes on the prize from an early age).

The reason given for his marriage in a Catholic Church being possible was that it was due to his Catholic baptism as a baby.

Where his two divorces and children out of wedlock come into it, I don’t know.

Cake and eat it as per usual

It seems that the RC God moves in mysterious ways...

www.rcdea.org.uk/marriage-tribunal/marriage-tribunal-faq/

MaizieD

Leaving aside the fact that 'tax payers' do not finance the country, we have plenty of fit young people wanting to settle in the UK and work but our government is determined to prevent them from doing so.

But those fit young people often haven't been brought up in British culture. It seems to me that's the issue which is underlying the concern.

What does this have to do with the expected Johnson baby?
I know threads meander, but …..

It moved on to population size and control, Foxygloves. by way of Johnson's excessively large number of offspring. Have you not read it all?

OK I see

If Boris Johnson supports his offspring, as I believe he does, it is nobody else's business.

Discussing the risks in general for women and children in dealing with men like Johnson is a perfectly valid conversation, there are many costs that arent financial.

And a falling birthdate would spell disaster for the country- as has been said, it’s the taxes paid by this generation -especially the economically active- which pays our pensions as well as everything else.
It’s not just numbers of population is it?

PS as a prime offender, I suppose with three daughters -there would have been a fourth child, but he died as a baby- and six grandchildren - I suppose that averages out though as must be the case with many other families!
There’s more to Economics than bean counting.

Foxygloves

What does this have to do with the expected Johnson baby?
I know threads meander, but …..

I suspect it's a reflection on the previous posts about reproduction rates.

BirthRate !!!

... about which you have now commented.

I’ve read the whole thread, and I was still confused. Apologies

But those fit young people often haven't been brought up in British culture. It seems to me that's the issue which is underlying the concern.

What does being brought up in the British culture have to with anything growstuff?
You sound like an old lady I knew who after meeting my then black boyfriend took me on one side and said very seriously
‘but is he a pagan dear’ 🤣🤣🤣

eazybee

If Boris Johnson supports his offspring, as I believe he does, it is nobody else's business.

I rather feel this is the point. Well, up to a point.

As PM he was obviously going to be under the spotlight as far as his personal relationships are concerned.

But when does it become prurient and intrusive to delve into a high-profile individual's private life?

I absolutely detest the man - I believe he's a 'chancer', a narcissist, and underneath the carefully-curated buffoonery, a rather unpleasant individual (as some who know him have indicated) BUT - as I've said before - only he and those involved with him understand the dynamics of their relationships with him - we're only privy to what the media churns out about him.

Ultimately, if he's providing for his offspring - however chaotic his private life appears to us, it's his business. I will only really judge him on what he has done, politically. He, and all other PMs and politicians are entitled to a private life which won't necessarily conform to our own personal standards. Unless he's doing something illegal in his private live he should be allowed to run it, or ruin it, or whatever... that's why it's called a 'private' life!

BlueBelle

*But those fit young people often haven't been brought up in British culture. It seems to me that's the issue which is underlying the concern*.

What does being brought up in the British culture have to with anything growstuff?
You sound like an old lady I knew who after meeting my then black boyfriend took me on one side and said very seriously
‘but is he a pagan dear’ 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not the one with "old lady" attitudes!

I disagree Dickens
If that is the way he treats the people who are closest to him, I don’t think that he possesses the moral qualities needed to hold high office.
He is an amoral liar and we should be aware of it.
He will be hoping to stage a comeback soon.

growstuff

BlueBelle

But those fit young people often haven't been brought up in British culture. It seems to me that's the issue which is underlying the concern.

What does being brought up in the British culture have to with anything growstuff?
You sound like an old lady I knew who after meeting my then black boyfriend took me on one side and said very seriously
‘but is he a pagan dear’ 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not the one with "old lady" attitudes!

Were you being a bit too subtle, growstuff? I read it as being sarcastic..

Saying how wonderful all this is, is not a neutral act. We sometimes forget that in the whole be kind nonsense. Children are damaged when people have multiple affairs, pretending otherwise isnt true. I view it in a similar way to 'there was no party'.

Foxygloves and FannyCornforth

Some snippets from this thread:

•I'm mildly surprised, knowing how keen an environmentalist Carrie is and how she listens closely to Sir David Attenborough, who believes overpopulation will destroy our planet unless we change our lifestyles and reduce world population.
Of course, it's always other people who should do that.

•No need to worry about population concerns. Most countries in the world have reproduction rates that are close replacement and most advanced countries, including the UK have a birth rate below replacement.

•This is, as I understand it, is the situation re population. In this country the birth rate is falling and the powers that be are concerned about it because there won’t be enough tax payers soon to support the elderly and others who need state support, but in particular, the elderly.

•Leaving aside the fact that 'tax payers' do not finance the country, we have plenty of fit young people wanting to settle in the UK and work but our government is determined to prevent them from doing so.

•And a falling birthdate would spell disaster for the country- as has been said, it’s the taxes paid by this generation -especially the economically active- which pays our pensions as well as everything else.
It’s not just numbers of population is it?

Well, no, it isn't just about numbers of population.

As has been pointed out, a falling birthrate isn't an issue. Nobody needs to increase the average number of children per couple. Most countries are experiencing an increasing birthrate, so logic would suggest that some of them could move to the places on the planet where there are shortages.

Miriam Cates and her NatCon cronies think the answer is for women to stay at home and produce babies. I suspect that's more to do with her religious background than sound economics.

There's a much more simple answer, which is to allow immigration to plug the gaps, but some people seem to have a problem with that. Apparently (according to some MPs and other observers) these people don't have British values (whatever they are). Hence, my comments, which are a follow-on from other comments on the thread.

I'm sure Johnson's offspring will have true British values (as he does) - whatever they are!