The Johnsons baby announcement

MaizieD

growstuff

BlueBelle

But those fit young people often haven't been brought up in British culture. It seems to me that's the issue which is underlying the concern.

What does being brought up in the British culture have to with anything growstuff?
You sound like an old lady I knew who after meeting my then black boyfriend took me on one side and said very seriously
‘but is he a pagan dear’ 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not the one with "old lady" attitudes!

Were you being a bit too subtle, growstuff? I read it as being sarcastic..

I'm constrained in expressing what I really think.

Galaxy I once worked very closely with a serial and prolific adulterer for 5 years.

I was very good friends with both him and his wife.

The amount of gaslighting that went on was astounding, he gaslit me just as much as his wife.

At one point I had to take two weeks off work as I thought that I was near to having a break down.

I’ll get told off for armchair psychology here, but I believe that I know enough to comment.
I’m convinced that he was a psychopathic narcissist

I wish the baby well as I do all babies, a healthy start in life, and a happy childhood. Otherwise, I couldn't care a damn.

Man with many children, fathers another one

I’d never heard of Miriam Cates until I read this thread , but absolutely no woman should stay at home and produce babies unless she wants to. No one else’s religious or cultural values come into it in my opinion. Every baby, a wanted baby. Therefore if Carrie and Johnson wanted this baby, then that’s fine and it’s a private matter as Dickens said.

I apologise if it was a tongue-in-cheek comment growstuff I don’t know you well enough to recognise it wasn’t what it said on the tin

Foxygloves

And a falling birthdate would spell disaster for the country- as has been said, it’s the taxes paid by this generation -especially the economically active- which pays our pensions as well as everything else.
It’s not just numbers of population is it?

PS as a prime offender, I suppose with three daughters -there would have been a fourth child, but he died as a baby- and six grandchildren - I suppose that averages out though as must be the case with many other families!
There’s more to Economics than bean counting.

Agreed.

It's generations and the numbers in the upcoming generations. We have 4 daughters, we added nicely, so there's that.

FannyCornforth

I disagree Dickens
If that is the way he treats the people who are closest to him, I don’t think that he possesses the moral qualities needed to hold high office.
He is an amoral liar and we should be aware of it.
He will be hoping to stage a comeback soon.

If the way he conducts his personal life filters through into his political life, then yes, I suppose you're right.

However, the men and women who involve themselves with him are often not entirely innocent either - although I believe his first wife, Allegra probably was to a large extent 'unaware' what she was committing to when she married him. But the long-suffering Marina was also, at one point, one of the "other women", That's what I mean when I say that only they know the dynamics of their relationships with him - the media, obviously, pick out the 'juicy' bits for our consumption.

... and then his political and private life become entwined and we're focusing on his private life when I believe we should be looking at what he's done to the country, our reputation, and parliamentary procedure.

I think my reluctance to focus on his private life is because there are children involved - of varying ages, but they are all innocent in that they didn't request him to be their sire, and everything written about him has the potential to harm them to some degree. I feel the same about Rees-Mogg and his private life... because of his children.

We have tons of ammunition to use against both of them, politically, anyway!

Maybe I'm wrong - but it's really a gut-reaction... I've read a little about his private life, but I don't want to focus on it to the point of prurience.

But I take your point.

Dickens I totally get your point too.
As is probably apparent, I’ve been Boris watching for a very long time.
I have always known that he was a wrong ‘un and a dangerous character.
It’s refreshing to have a nice discussion with differing opinions

Dickens

eazybee

If Boris Johnson supports his offspring, as I believe he does, it is nobody else's business.

I rather feel this is the point. Well, up to a point.

As PM he was obviously going to be under the spotlight as far as his personal relationships are concerned.

But when does it become prurient and intrusive to delve into a high-profile individual's private life?

I absolutely detest the man - I believe he's a 'chancer', a narcissist, and underneath the carefully-curated buffoonery, a rather unpleasant individual (as some who know him have indicated) BUT - as I've said before - only he and those involved with him understand the dynamics of their relationships with him - we're only privy to what the media churns out about him.

Ultimately, if he's providing for his offspring - however chaotic his private life appears to us, it's his business. I will only really judge him on what he has done, politically. He, and all other PMs and politicians are entitled to a private life which won't necessarily conform to our own personal standards. Unless he's doing something illegal in his private live he should be allowed to run it, or ruin it, or whatever... that's why it's called a 'private' life!

Am with you on this Dickens there’s enough to damn him politically without all the gossipy garden fence stuff about him and his wife having another baby.Their life their family.

well yes- as long as he does not expect the tax payer to help support him, or loans with dodgy links, etc.

Personally, I think BJ is very selfish, wanting more children at his age. He might not see these latest three offspring grow up! If he lives into his 70s they’ll still be at school! I know they won’t go short and they’re probably already on the list for Eton, but he should be happy to be a Grandad and leave the baby production to a younger generation of Johnsons.

I think it is a decision to be made by Boris and Carrie and theirs alone. If people want to make a decision to have less children because of their ecological concerns, then that is their business.

I don’t think Johnson had the affair with Carrie with the idea of starting a new family. I doubt that he thought ahead to the fact that she was a young woman who would want children. Being in the public eye ( especially as PM) meant that he had to make an honest woman of her. It still astounds me that Conservative voters were happy to have someone leading their party with a young girlfriend in tow (having left his wife and children): I always thought that Conservative values were conservative.

No wonder he needed a large loan on top of his not too meagre earnings.
But I do wish them well - a new baby is always a blessing.

Why is this cause for celebration? Narcissistic parents do tend to damage their children, poor little mite. Still, he os she will have everything that money - ill-gotten or otherwise - can buy.

They would have had annulment in order to get married in a Catholic church.

If Boris's previous marriage was not in a Catholic Church, it wouldn't count as a "proper" marriage! So there would be no marriage to be annulled.

Two marriages, Farmor
Is that definitely the case?

The elephant in the room is that there are too many people on the planet. Perhaps fathers in positions of responsibility should restrict themselves to fathering no more than two children.

Since when has Johnson honoured his ‘position of responsibility’? 😅

(Not laughing at you, Jane)

Nobody seems to have considered the possibility that perhaps it is Carrie Johnson who wants another baby.

Some really unpleasant comments above.

Re not looking pregnant my aunt had a neighbour who refused to believe the baby in aunt's pram.was her own as she had not looked pregnant at all. I never got very big myself. Child-bearing hips.

eazybee

Nobody seems to have considered the possibility that perhaps it is Carrie Johnson who wants another baby.

Some really unpleasant comments above.

Agree

eazybee

Nobody seems to have considered the possibility that perhaps it is Carrie Johnson who wants another baby.

Some really unpleasant comments above.

Nobody seems to have considered the possibility that perhaps it is Carrie Johnson who wants another baby.

That is quite possible.

It could also have been an unplanned pregnancy.

I'm not at all impressed with either him or her, but I genuinely hope she has an uncomplicated birth and a healthy baby.

Wonderful to welcome a new baby into the world. 😊 congratulations to them