Can a woman have a penis?

GC means gender critical. I am not sure about TIM

Thanks, JJ

I'm critical about, or rather, dubious of, gender ideology. nothing against people wanting topresent themselves in any harmless shape or form that they wish to.

ideology can be pretty dangerous in all sorts of situations

I agree. Except I'd use is instead of can be.

There is often a lack of logic and reason when it becomes extremes of ideology

Thankfully there is usually a more moderate middle ground that finds solutions and promotes peaceful coexistence

I think TIM might be trans identified male?

So is a trans identified male biologically a female?

Seems to me a lot of the language used in gender ideology is, deliberately or otherwise, contorted.

Ditto pronoun nonsense.

Baggs I'm really not sure. I think it means biological man. I wish someone with more knowledge than me could help you as I'm irritated that I don't know

I'm irritated that I don't know too, JJ. But I think that's the point. The contorted language is deliberate obfuscation when, for millenia, it's been perfectly easy in all but a very few cases, to know almost straight away whether someone is male or female. And, as with other Earthly life-forms, animal and plant, there are only two sexes where sexual reproduction is the key to a species' survival.

Baggs

I'm irritated that I don't know too, JJ. But I think that's the point. The contorted language is deliberate obfuscation when, for millenia, it's been perfectly easy in all but a very few cases, to know almost straight away whether someone is male or female. And, as with other Earthly life-forms, animal and plant, there are only two sexes where sexual reproduction is the key to a species' survival.

Exactly.

Baggs

So is a trans identified male biologically a female?

Seems to me a lot of the language used in gender ideology is, deliberately or otherwise, contorted.

Ditto pronoun nonsense.

TIM is a male identifying as trans.

Smileless2012

A nose reconstruction is a reconstructed nose. A woman can't have a reconstructed penis because biology determined that as a woman/female she wouldn't have one to begin with.
Exactly.

I'm still waiting to hear if there are female men and male women. Anyone?

VioletSky

There is often a lack of logic and reason when it becomes extremes of ideology

This is particularly noticeable when people demand that males are recognised as females. Especially when they drag dildos into the conversation or imply that lesbians, who by their title do not want a heterosexual relationship, should accept TW as partners just because the male in question feels he is a woman.
Especially when they refuse to wholly support female rights to safe spaces etc. and alongside that, refuse to condemn those TW/TIM who don’t support female rights to safe spaces, usually using the excuse that they're not all like that as if no one else knows or acknowledges that.
That’s the real extreme of ideology which has no logic or reason, but is constantly repeated by you VS.

Mollygo

Smileless2012

A nose reconstruction is a reconstructed nose. A woman can't have a reconstructed penis because biology determined that as a woman/female she wouldn't have one to begin with.
Exactly.

So it doesn't matter if the transman wants to call it a penis. You've decreed it isn't one.

Anyway here's one for you to work on. Babies could be grown in artificial uteruses within a decade! Will it not be a proper uterus or a proper baby? vce.usc.edu/volume-5-issue-2/why-we-should-embrace-artificial-wombs/

It's just not the gotcha moment people think it is

We have women and trans women as well as men and trans men

Gender dysphoria is happening, scientists have found 21 differences in 17 genes and are looking into whether this causes surges in the wrong hormones during fetal development. It is a very wait and see area until more research is done but it does link in to gender dysphoria having a genetic cause.

We have trans women and trans men who have transitioned to address the symptoms of gender dysphoria. Where gender dysphoria is correctly diagnosed this is a success.

Society has split on the issue. Not into pro trans or anti trans but into a spectrum of opinions that have extreme views on either end

Some of those extreme views have led to verbal or physical violence. Violence against primarily trans women and non gender conforming women and violence against those who are prolifically and confidently GC in their ideology.

The rest of us believe women and trans women, men and trans men can and do coexist peacefully and are unsure if those at the extremes are aware of the harm they are causing. If they are aware of the harm they are causing and continuing anyway, then that is behaviour that is diagnosable as problematic in a lawful society

Mollygo

VioletSky

There is often a lack of logic and reason when it becomes extremes of ideology

This is particularly noticeable when people demand that males are recognised as females. Especially when they drag dildos into the conversation or imply that lesbians, who by their title do not want a heterosexual relationship, should accept TW as partners just because the male in question feels he is a woman.
Especially when they refuse to wholly support female rights to safe spaces etc. and alongside that, refuse to condemn those TW/TIM who don’t support female rights to safe spaces, usually using the excuse that they're not all like that as if no one else knows or acknowledges that.
That’s the real extreme of ideology which has no logic or reason, but is constantly repeated by you VS.

I'm reported this as I did not imply that and it's a vile thing to say

Mollygo attempts like that to lure me into an argument will fail

It always does

Please don't make personal untrue comments about what I mean, especially when I have clearly explained and I'm obbiously horrified by that. I will report them

Perhaps examine your own bias when interpreting comments

... and now this thread will be closed down.

VioletSky
You make some provocative comments - maybe you don't realise they are provocative? But they get a response.

We take your observations at face-value - it's all we can do on a social media site.

You introduced the subject of dildos onto a thread titled "can a woman have a penis?" To some of us it read like a yes-they-can, so there, moment. When you must know that wasn't wasn't in the spirit of what the OP was asking, surely?

... and then ended the comment telling us it was none of our business anyway.

I don't know how you can't see that that is not a challenging comment to make. How did it help the discussion move forward - you talk about "solutions" that you believe we should all be thinking about, but then throw that into the mix.

We know some lesbians use dildos - we know some couples use various sex toys etc. And some don't. What was the purpose of the comment? And why are you upset that it's been questioned and challenged.

Why do these discussions always end with you feeling victimised? We're all being challenged on our views by those who disagree with them. I don't feel victimised when someone responds to one of my comments, disagreeing with it. And if someone misunderstands, or mis-represents what I've said, I challenge them and try a different way to emphasise what I was saying, to prove that they didn't 'get it'.

I've already quoted the comment I replied too asking "why would a trans women want to use their penis to have sex"

So actually the context was there and I proved it

So no I didn't say that lesbians should have relationships with trans women, and yes I do understand consent

No I would never imply such a vile thing and everyone knows I am LGBTQ so the fact they would persue this despite my protestation and imply I'm now lying is disgusting

But I've been accused of a lot of things on this thread and no one has come up with any proof of any of it

So it's personal and therefore reportable under gransnet guidelines

Doodledog

I'm still waiting to hear if there are female men and male women. Anyone?

Well I had no idea so I googled it. Apparently there are more women who are men than you would think. novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/more-women-than-expected-are-genetically-men/
So I suppose they are female men, or male women which ever way you want it.

People should only need to explain their meaning and have it accepted

When people reduce to accept it even with proof that gives context

There is an ulterior motive and it frankly their problem not mine because I would never do that

Dickens at 16.58 an excellent post and one that's been pointed out so many times. None of it will be taken on board, no lessons will be learned and the goading and passive aggression will continue. Sad really isn't it?

Pomegranateseed

Dickens at 16.58 an excellent post and one that's been pointed out so many times. None of it will be taken on board, no lessons will be learned and the goading and passive aggression will continue. Sad really isn't it?

This is literally a real example of passive aggression!