Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Callistemon21

Dinahmo

Fleurpepper

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

the only value which has fallen through the floor is Sterling.

Yes, it is lovely where I am currently, fancy that, and I have just returned from Italy- it was very lovely too.

When we moved here 1 £ was worth x 2.50 - and it is now just about over x 1 - a loss of about 60% (and 60% of our pensionable income too).

We did not move for it to be lovely, but to look after my very elderly parents, now both gone. Why not return to the UK then, some will ask. But I do think you know the answer! The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option.

My guess is the States. I can remember when £1 bought US$2.4 for many years. (no need to reply)

Question for Fleurpepper

In a 1992 referendum Swiss voters rejected membership of the European Economic Area, which had been seen as a stepping stone on the way to membership of the European Union (EU).[4] Polls consistently showed that the Swiss did not want to join the European Union, which was confirmed in a 2001 referendum where over 75% voted against membership

Are the Swiss still arguing amongst themselves about the close result of the very close referendum they held in 1992 and a later more decisive referendum rejecting EU membership?

Is it a constant bone of contention in Switzerland or did they get up, dust themselves down and get on with making the best of the situation?
Which is what, I believe, we should be doing and I hope Sunak will do now Johnson has left politics 🤞

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Callistemon21

Hilarybee

A 13 page thread! On Brexit. Brexit still arouses strong and deep feelings

That's why I was interested to know if the Swiss still chuntered on about their first extremely close referendum and the subsequent one where they voted decisively NOT to join the EU.

Are they happy with the status quo?
How did they achieve their agreements with the EU?
Can we do that?

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I really don't understand what you wanted us to discuss Fleurpepper. You have failed to notice that I have certainly taken the Brexit thread in different directions, one or two a bit lightheartedly and cheekily! But always with examples of my own experience.
I have no idea either what you mean about all the "kicking the player and not the ball lark," but if you find anything that I have alluded to in your life unwelcome, then please enlighten me.

Callistemon21

Was there any need to consciously uncouple from he Customs Union?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/02/dont-be-misled-leaving-the-single-market-and-customs-union-was-a-tory-decision

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Callistemon21

Callistemon21

Was there any need to consciously uncouple from he Customs Union?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/02/dont-be-misled-leaving-the-single-market-and-customs-union-was-a-tory-decision

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Sorry - (4)
The last one hadn't posted.

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I'm not bad at Maths, it is just that the quotes aren't posting.
Poor Wifi

I have tried to be perfectly polite whilst stating my views and asking questions which I thought were pertinent to the situation. .

Perhaps if we went right back to the beginning of the thread and the evidence was listed, it could be discussed point by point?
Adverse, positive, no difference?

Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster (407 Posts)
Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteFleurpepper Sat 10-Jun-23 16:56:06
Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteHetty58 Sat 10-Jun-23 17:07:57
Fleurpepper, I'm bored to the back teeth with all these Brexit posts. Try giving evidence - a clear concise (and brief, FGS) list of examples - directly related to Brexit - and maybe somebody will reply.

Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteFleurpepper Sat 10-Jun-23 17:10:06
Oh I can assure you we are sick to the back teeth of the disaster that Brexit is. The evidence is all there for all to see, no need for me to repeat it. And it has been there right from the start too.

The evidence is all there for all to see, no need for me to repeat it.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you did as not everyone seems to find it a disaster apparently.

One or two posters have pointed out how it has affected them, thank you for that.

Just one catastrophising ego trip.

For there to be a discussion it is helpful -nay, essential- for different sides to acknowledge questions from each other (like this one) and offer a reply.

That's why I was interested to know if the Swiss still chuntered on about their first extremely close referendum and the subsequent one where they voted decisively NOT to join the EU.

Are they happy with the status quo?
How did they achieve their agreements with the EU?
Can we do that?
This should have quoted, but didn't. Oops
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Going back to the Swiss, they have been a real pain to the EU for many years, they have been given lots of concessions and time deadlines but have faced them all down.

There was no way the EU was going to get into the same tangle with the UK, so they gave us nothing, it was their rules all the way. We could have accepted their rules on customs and several other areas, we chose not to.

For all those who continue to knock the BBC for a perceived bias (in both directions) I suggest that you watch HIGNFY and/or listen to the News Quiz. You might then have a slight change of mind.

Oreo

I think you put too much importance on Boris taking a hike as well.

Well, that is a fair comment. I disagree- and that is fine.

Disagreeing is never a problem. Making personal attacks, trying to shut people down, and in a very personal, rude and often worse manner, is not.

I do believe that Johnson's demise is a huge factor highlighting the lies and dishonesty that have taken place re his Brexit.

Katie59, there was indeed a real option to have a Norway/Swiss style deal- but it would have had to include Free Movement. There was NO negotiating on that, ever.

Callistemon21

Perhaps if we went right back to the beginning of the thread and the evidence was listed, it could be discussed point by point?
Adverse, positive, no difference?

Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster (407 Posts)
Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteFleurpepper Sat 10-Jun-23 16:56:06
Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteHetty58 Sat 10-Jun-23 17:07:57
Fleurpepper, I'm bored to the back teeth with all these Brexit posts. Try giving evidence - a clear concise (and brief, FGS) list of examples - directly related to Brexit - and maybe somebody will reply.

Add comment | Report | Private message | QuoteFleurpepper Sat 10-Jun-23 17:10:06
Oh I can assure you we are sick to the back teeth of the disaster that Brexit is. The evidence is all there for all to see, no need for me to repeat it. And it has been there right from the start too.

The evidence is all there for all to see, no need for me to repeat it.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you did as not everyone seems to find it a disaster apparently.

One or two posters have pointed out how it has affected them, thank you for that.

Because this has been explained in many threads before- again and again.

Unlike the list of Brexit benefits which has been asked for so many times, and which has never ever received any reply, at least none that made any sense.

Dickens

Louella12

Fleur, I don't know a soul who is bothered about Brexit. It's done. What is this vast majority you talk of? Ridiculous. Brexit is not on most people's minds. We're getting on with life. Why don't you take up a note productive hobby? We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

How rude!

In fact, the decision whether or not "we" ever go back in might be taken decades down the line by following generations - when many of us will no longer be around to have a say.

And, as with most political decisions, it will largely be based on the economic climate at that time - if the then government of the day consider it to be in our interests (or theirs) then there is a distinct possibility the country will rejoin.

You honestly think the EU will still exists in "decades"? I do not, the European Project is failing, they are constantly arguing amongst themselves. The main problem with the EU is they have tried to bring together too many disparate countries - countries such as Italy, Greece Spain et al have little in common with Eastern European countries such as Poland, Hungary et al - and then of course we have France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands etc. There are three distinct groups of countries in the EU and it is not a comfortable relationship - especially for those who are actually in the Eurozone. It worked well when it was truly a "common market" - since more and more political integration has been involved, it is failing.

specki4eyes

Standing right beside you Fleurpepper. Keep going. Those who yawn and bully you to shut up are usually those who voted for Brexit and who now secretly feel guilty about how they have helped to turn Great Britain into Little Britain, bobbing about vulnerable and alone on rough and chilly seas. Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave after he fought so bravely for a united Europe.

Funny how that huge weekly amount promised for the NHS never materialised, nor the massive trade deals with the US, nor the reductions in illegal immigrants..etc etc....
Watch Question Time next Thursday..the audience will be made up entirely of those who voted Leave. It will be a bunfight, but very interesting.

The NHS has actually had MORE than an extra 350 million pounds a week - and its still a mess - so that bit certainly materialised, albeit with a bit of help from covid. I agree with you on the immigration issue though - the current situation is a complete shambles.

Because this has been explained in many threads before- again and again.

But not on here
I may have missed them.

I am surprised, as you commented on so many occasions.

But if you have missed it here, I am sure you have read it all in many other places. It is all very well documented.

Well how about linking to those comments here. Or possibly repeating them.
It’s all very well to say dismissively “Oh I’ve said that elsewhere”
Sounds suspiciously like ducking the issue.

Fleurpepper

I am surprised, as you commented on so many occasions.

But if you have missed it here, I am sure you have read it all in many other places. It is all very well documented.

Do you have any good, reliable links with balanced views please?

The search facility on GN is not great.

Callistemon21

Callistemon21

Was there any need to consciously uncouple from he Customs Union?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/02/dont-be-misled-leaving-the-single-market-and-customs-union-was-a-tory-decision

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I think, in future, I shall now refer to Brexit as our Conscious Uncoupling from the EU.

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I can't really claim the credit - it was another poster.

And before that, of course, Gwynnie!
Hers was just as puzzling as Brexit!