Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Yes, the donkey …

I am perfectly happy here near the coast in England and Brexit has not torn my peaceful retirement asunder. I’m not remotely jealous of someone who decides to live in Switzerland and lose a hefty chunk of their pension courtesy of the exchange rate. I have no idea why anyone would be jealous of that. I don’t fear for the futures of my child and grandchild either - I have no reason whatsoever to do so. Strange notion. I can honestly say that I never think about Brexit. I have far more absorbing interests.

Fleurpepper

Calli 'I know that their cattle are far more free-range than any cattle in Europe.'

oh this made me laugh out loud - come and have a look, I say. LOL!

🤔

Why is that funny?

Dinahmo

It seems to me that the more one tries to explain one's situation, the more many of think that there is a problem with our lives for some reason. Reading a lot into a few words.

I have only ever once, or maybe twice, met someone on GN being purposely obtuse when I tried to explain a particular situation of mine.

The final comment of Fleurpepper's, in a few words, about jealousy is enough to make things abundantly clear to people.

And young people who made the huge mistake not to vote, are truly hacked off, and won't make that mistake again.

Yes! I've just found the first positive of the Brexit vote!

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, the donkey …

I am perfectly happy here near the coast in England and Brexit has not torn my peaceful retirement asunder. I’m not remotely jealous of someone who decides to live in Switzerland and lose a hefty chunk of their pension courtesy of the exchange rate. I have no idea why anyone would be jealous of that. I don’t fear for the futures of my child and grandchild either - I have no reason whatsoever to do so. Strange notion. I can honestly say that I never think about Brexit. I have far more absorbing interests.

I agree with all of that.

fp, you used the words "deflection from reality".
A strange thought and strange phrase.
Is that what you might be doing too?

If you do have these problems, I do think there will be at least some GNs who would try and help.

There is a lot to be said for contentment in life. And personal peace.

There's quite a bit of "I'm alright Jack" here. If Brexit doesn't affect you at all - so far - I can well understand that you never give it a thought. Others haven't got that luxury.

Greta

There's quite a bit of "I'm alright Jack" here. If Brexit doesn't affect you at all - so far - I can well understand that you never give it a thought. Others haven't got that luxury.

Apart from the “luxury” of criticising and damning from a “safe distance”.?

There’s being realistic and there’s catastrophising. .
Our present day issues doubtless have myriad causes - who is to say how things would have been
IF Brexit hadn’t happened
IF the pandemic hadn’t happened
IF Putin hadn’t started a war in Ukraine
IF there wasn’t a global recession
IF Boris Johnson hadn’t stuck to his previous day job - only wishing.

Greta

There's quite a bit of "I'm alright Jack" here. If Brexit doesn't affect you at all - so far - I can well understand that you never give it a thought. Others haven't got that luxury.

I'm not keen on the expression "I'm alright Jack" as it carries negative vibes. I don't think anyone from the UK on this thread is exhibiting self-centered complacency or one-upmanship here. On the contrary, many of us are unhappy and disappointed with the way Brexit has turned out, and I don’t think anyone is saying that life is cushy for them. (I know I am severely out of pocket every trip abroad to the tune of a few hundred £s over the stupid dog travel certificate, I know I have to wait an age these days to get my own passport checked and stamped, I know my DS experiences difficulty in finding enough engineers to fill the vacancies on his team), and yes, I agree that all these issues are due to Brexit.

BUT, my own situation in the bigger picture is good, and I refuse to spend every day moaning about a few inconveniences or getting vexed about problems which are worldwide and nothing to do with Brexit.

“The UK has to import a lot of stuff that can't be produced in the UK, or is no longer produced because of broken supply chains, and lack of workforce. So it has to be bought in. As explained above, many foods, many forms of energy, building materials, supply chain materials of so many types, medicines, essential chemicals, and so much more.”

It’s not so much what we can’t produce, it’s what we can but don’t.

I don’t envy those who live overseas, I’ve travelled widely and I like leafy England, although if you are younger with a skill the whole world is your oyster.

Callistemon21

Fleurpepper

Calli 'I know that their cattle are far more free-range than any cattle in Europe.'

oh this made me laugh out loud - come and have a look, I say. LOL!

🤔

Why is that funny?

LOL
Because “Free Range” means they live or die, cattle are rounded up once a year to collect the calves and useful culls, that’s it, Sheep twice a year - they need to be shorn, welfare or environmental rules don’t exist

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy.

Oh I do wish you peace GSM- it is so so simple in fact. As this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular, as said by others above, you can just blissfully ignore. Easy peasy, no?

Very easy indeed. I don’t agonise over anything - least of all Brexit. Try it. A peaceful and contented life is a good life.

It’s a real shame Fleurpepper that you choose to ignore all the well meaning advice offered on here.

Your obsession over Brexit will make you Ill sooner or later.

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy
Thank you for your honesty OP in admitting that you live in Switzerland, not the East Midlands with a “direct line to St Pancras”
Why was that such a big deal?
It would be interesting to hear how another non-EU country copes with the bureaucracy and minutiae of dealing with the EU, particularly, as in your case, when surrounded by it.

Funny

Ah well, whatever keeps you happy. 🙂

(Obviously not a farmer)

natural meadows
With fences?
Not so far to freely range then?

Good Lord, Fleurpepper your postings are so full of bitterness. Spilling that all over these pages is not going to undo Brexit. It’s done and for your mental well-being you need to accept it and adapt to the differences it might have made to your life.

Fleurpepper

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy.

Oh I do wish you peace GSM- it is so so simple in fact. As this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular, as said by others above, you can just blissfully ignore. Easy peasy, no?

Toured that region a few years ago, Interlaken, Saanen to Gruyere, lovely all the cows had bells round their necks, so I guess there are big farm payments to maintain traditions and please the tourists.

Excellent advice Caramme.

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I think we would all agree on the importance of happy cows and animal welfare in general - not a new concept either.
Do you all remember “Carnation Milk - from contented cows” ?
And of course “La Vache qui Rit”

I have followed this thread with interest and have 2 observations.

British pensions are really intended for people living and/or working in Britain - whether they are adequate is immaterial in this context - living abroad is the choice of the recipients.

The people voted for Brexit - rightly or wrongly, misled or not.

We are where we are.

And, fp, how do you know the cows are very, very happy?

DH has a very good NHS pension (similar to your DH's) I have a very small pension and, with our state pensions, we are very comfortably off.

The point about the NHS not being up to scratch is not strictly true either. It saved my life last year, our daughter has had brilliant treatment for her BC, my brother, DH's brother have all recently had brilliant treatment under the NHS. And, those are the tip of the iceberg.

Please stop putting this country down.

Hear, hear, kitty. Well said.

Such a good post Kitty.

I am not sure its putting the country down to raise concerns about the NHS. It happens on GN about a hundred times a week.

Galaxy

I am not sure its putting the country down to raise concerns about the NHS. It happens on GN about a hundred times a week.

If it were only concerns about the NHS though.
But it’s not. It’s banging the anti- Brexit drum at all costs.
There are also those like Kitty and many others who would vouch for the fact that its “demise” has, as Mark Twain commented, been greatly exaggerated.