Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

I agree.

There is a lot of suffering going on, one way or another.

Often by elderly, vulnerable, those who dont like to make much of a fuss, type people.

Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

Nor are personal anecdotes about pensions and exchange rates evidence that the U.K. is going down the pan

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This is my first time posting. I hope it’s not my last.

FP Brexit is not a disaster. A disaster is an earthquake, a tsunami or a hurricane and to equate Brexit to the devastation left behind after these events is ridiculous no matter how much you exaggerate and catastrophise it. I imagine anyone fortunate enough to survive any of these genuine disasters would be relieved beyond belief if the only thing they had to concern themselves with was the impact of Brexit.

It seems to me that when you decided to relocate to Switzerland you imagined that the move came with a cast iron guarantee that nothing would ever change. Unfortunately for you, circumstances did change and you have ended up the loser. Rather than accepting that you are where you are because of the decisions you yourself have made, you choose to blame those who voted for Brexit because they didn’t put the consideration that pensioners living abroad may be adversely affected above all others when they put their cross in the box against leave.

I have observed your repeated and obsessional posts about Brexit FP, with the ‘woe is me narrative’ and constant attempts to recruit allies to reinforce your belief that you have been hard done by. This is extremely detrimental to your emotional and mental well being. Others posters have mentioned this to you. Please take it on board. Im adding this out of concern as a retired Occupational Therapist with many years experience working in an NHS mental health setting.

Good points in your post kittylester 👏👏👏

Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

But we don't hear enough about the good stuff only the negative stuff.

I hear, and have experience, of good stories and bad stories but far fewer bad than good.

Britain is quite a good place to live, on the whole but the op would have us believe that our everyday experiences count for nothing.

And, I voted remain.

FP is eaten away with sour bitterness which is so so bad for mental well-being as many many have said. And this has been evidenced time and time again, over many many years for all to see.

I would never choose to live in Switzerland due to my family’s experience there during the 2WW- but of course each to his own.

It’s simple enough to be respectful of other people’s nationality and beliefs, regardless of our personal feelings. I’m very surprised as a teacher you were not taught this - as an Ofstead inspector I can confirm that you would not last 5minutes nowadays.

It’s so so simple to find a hobby where you give back to others, instead of constantly reliving your personal disappointments with life.

Good post mazzie. 👏👏👏

There are many more good reasons to live in the U.K. than bad ones.

Remember by the time a lie/bad news has travelled round the world the truth/good news is only just getting out of bed

Well said both Kittylester and mazzie66.

Also, welcome mazzie66

My individual experience would be that the NHS was about a thousand times better under a Labour government.

That was a long time ago and they hadn’t had to cope with covid or the exit of staff following Brexit. It’s like comparing oranges and apples.

Thank you GSM and Spinnaker.

Germanshepherdsmum

That was a long time ago and they hadn’t had to cope with covid or the exit of staff following Brexit. It’s like comparing oranges and apples.

I think it varies from area to area Germanshepherdsmum I am in S E Essex, at 9 am this morning DD rang her dentist for an emergency NHS appointment she got one at 10.30 am, with a follow up next week.

Our GP surgery is 80% of the time excellent, the receptionists get abuse on a daily basis, if you are the next caller I can understand them being a bit brusque.

During Covid, the surgery was a bit up and down, with the majority of diagnosis’s over the phone.

We are midway between two teaching hospitals one is a seaside town, full of clubs etc and A & E can be extremely busy at weekends and in the summer, the other is normally ok.

Katie59

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Oh, really?

How do you know this?

Technology these days is wonderful, even checking that the cattle have enough water.
Helicopters, not horseback, is the way to check their welfare regularly now too.

Galaxy

My individual experience would be that the NHS was about a thousand times better under a Labour government.

And our family's is that it was mixed under a Westminster Labour Government with both prompt treatment and also the Stafford Hospital scandal.

Under the Welsh Labour Government I'm afraid that some areas are inefficient and chaotic, others reasonable.

I would say that the NHS is not safe or well-run when in the hands of politicians.

Callistemon21

Katie59

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Oh, really?

How do you know this?

Technology these days is wonderful, even checking that the cattle have enough water.
Helicopters, not horseback, is the way to check their welfare regularly now too.

The dairy cows aren't the ones free-ranging on thousands of acres either.
They live in large paddocks, just like Swiss cows.
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It wouldn't be easy to round up dairy cows twice a day if they're spread over thousands of acres, would it.

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kitty, I am not putting the country down- I have stated, repeatedly, that BREXIT is a disaster. And I am not bitter- anyone saying this does not know me at all. I am sad, disappointed and more.

And it has nothing to do with my personal situation, at all.

There are 1000s of good points about the UK, I know. But there are not 1000s, and not even a few, about Brexit.

If there is, please (and several of us have asked many times to no effect) please give us a list.

As for the cows- it is obvious they are content- those meadows are limited in size by fencing, water troughs are fed with fresh water feed, and they are called for milking when meadows are closed to farms. Very often, ambulatory feed parlours are placed nearby. They come when called, then go back out to feed on natural grassland.

NOT the point. This thread is not about Switzerland, or me.

It is about the clear negative effects of Brexit on the country, and all its inhabitants.

I will however disagree totally on this claim that 'British pensions are really intended for people living and/or working in Britain'. Why should it be. Pensions are those who have given service for a lifetime of hard work, and not dependent at all on location. That is absolutely clear.

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss. I would have never mentionned it if it wasn't for some here constantly referring to the country where I came to look after my elderly parents. Totally.

But you fail to realise that that loss of Sterling value affects everything the UK has to buy in from outside. Yes, we can argue that we should accept to pay more and buy local. I'd totally agree, in fact. But many things can't be bought in the UK- I've given a list several times, and it is very long.

And above inflation which is taking place in many places, and putting prices up in those places, the UK has to pay double- inflation cost, + Brexit cost + low Sterling exchange rates. Quite simple- and not a positive at all.

I have stated repeatedly that BREXIT is a disaster

Indeed you have. Why must you keep on doing it? You are obsessive. Your constant complaints about it are so tedious and they will not serve to change the way things are. For heaven’s sake get used to it. What you can’t change you have to accept.

As for the cows- it is obvious they are content- those meadows are limited in size by fencing, water troughs are fed with fresh water feed, and they are called for milking when meadows are closed to farms. Very often, ambulatory feed parlours are placed nearby. They come when called, then go back out to feed on natural grassland.

Australian dairy farms? Yes, they are.
I thought we were discussing beef cattle.

Contented cows:

NOT the point. This thread is not about Switzerland, or me.

It is about the clear negative effects of Brexit on the country, and all its inhabitants

Is that not for those of us who do live here to judge?

We do get news here in the UK of what is happening around the world including in EU countries and can see for ourselves that there are problems happening in so many countries, including our nearest neighbours.
We can also ascertain how world events have an impact here and in the EU too.

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss
The exchange rate worldwide is something I check from time to time, but if the fluctuations are causing hardship, do you think you'd have been better returning to the UK and not losing so much of your pensions?
Did you rent out your property here?

It might not be as bad as you think, you know!!

Fleurpepper

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss. I would have never mentionned it if it wasn't for some here constantly referring to the country where I came to look after my elderly parents. Totally.

But you fail to realise that that loss of Sterling value affects everything the UK has to buy in from outside. Yes, we can argue that we should accept to pay more and buy local. I'd totally agree, in fact. But many things can't be bought in the UK- I've given a list several times, and it is very long.

And above inflation which is taking place in many places, and putting prices up in those places, the UK has to pay double- inflation cost, + Brexit cost + low Sterling exchange rates. Quite simple- and not a positive at all.

A weak £ does however help to boost exports therefore also production all of which is good for business and employment figures.
You need to realise that a weak pound means UK exporters can sell their goods cheaper and/or increase their profit margins. A weak £ can help British manufacturers and exporters.
However, the benefits of a weaker Pound depend on demand elsewhere in the world. If the Eurozone and US economies are struggling, then lower prices may be insufficient to lead to a big increase in UK export demand. Sadly much of the Eurozone is struggling. Oh dear, Brexit to blame again?
It’s all a balance, and your pensions are really neither here nor there.
Of course if they don’t go as far as your neighbours’ pensions in Switzerland, you could always bite the bullet and slum it back in the UK like the rest of (as you seem to perceive us) poor saps.