Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Dinahmo

Aveline

I can't believe you're still going on about this. Is there nothing else going on in the world to be getting worked up about?

No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

Don't get me wrong, we all worry about something else, whether its climate change, the lack of decent well paid employment, housing, the NHS and the cost of living. With a govt of a different nature our lives might have been different, maybe even better but almost certainly not worse.

Those of us born after WW2 had access to better health care and education than almost everyone who came before us. For many we had a better standard of living that that of our parents and grandparents but I don't think the same could be said for later generations.

No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

I'm assuming that is meant ironically

Nothing going on in the world more important than what is happening here in the UK?
You cannot be serious!! Of course, I don't think for one moment you are 😁

Fleurpepper
You yourself told us that you grandchildren and children have an escape route So they won’t have to take the hit will they?

merlotgran

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

Well, I’m not too timid to declare I voted Leave and I’m certainly not a gullible fool 😡😡

My reasons are my business. Any issues I had with the EU had nothing to do with writings on a bus or anything coming out of Nigel Farage’s mouth. As for Lambs to the Slaughter…Don’t you think that’s a rather over dramatic, hackneyed cliche?

Most if us have far worse things to worry about these days than the state of fleurpepper’s pension. A tale of woe that’s not even worth the teeniest of tiny violins!

Next week is Glastonbury. The anniversary of that hilarious own goal by self satisfied gullible fools who were so certain the referendum would go their way they took themselves off for a weekend of fun rather than vote for their future. Why bother when you can blame the result on inferiors who made the effort to put an X on a piece of paper?

I voted Remain, merlogran but I would not be so insufferably rude as to call you a gullible fool.

Jeremy Corbyn's referendum campaign was decidedly lacklustre and, if I remember correctly, many Labour constituencies voted to leave.
Complaints were made that it was older voters who voted to leave - perhaps the reason was that younger voters who might have voted to remain just didn't bother to turn up to vote.
Then complained about "old people" instead of looking at their own failure.

All my family voted, from the youngest eligible to vote to the oldest, not one thought it wasn't worth turning out for apart from those overseas who thought it wouldn't be right to do so.

I was still uncertain how to vote when I entered the polling booth, I knew which way my closest sibling and family were voting, I knew how our AC were voting.

As I knew it was for their generation I voted the same as them which was to leave.

Aveline

My pensions certainly have not 'taken a hit' 10.1% increase this year. Of course I'm a UK resident, tax payer and voter...

Same here. Though I do get a small German pension too. It changes very slightly every month depending on the exchange rate, as you have to expect when you're getting a payment from another country.

The annual increase in the German pension takes effect from 1 July, and will be 4.39% this year, which doesn't match their inflation rate. I feel fortunate that here in the UK our increase is actually more now than the level of inflation.

Like you merlotgran I voted leave and my decision was made as soon as I knew the referendum was going to be held. Mr. S. voted remain and like you GrannyGravy had been unsure until the moment came.

We have sufficient respect for one another to understand one another's reasons for voting the way we did, even though we voted differently. It's a shame the same can't be said for some on GN.

MerylStreep

Fleurpepper
You yourself told us that you grandchildren and children have an escape route So they won’t have to take the hit will they?

Irrelevant personal comment, yet again.

Yes, they are very lucky, access to Irish/EU and Swiss passport. But why should they have to. The UK is their country, where they were born and bred, all of them. But he is possibly the difference between some of us and some of you. The fact mine have an escape route does not make me stop caring, and being very concerned re the damage done to the UK, and it has nothing to do with my pension at all, or my own personal situation (and we are totally fine).

What about your ACs and GCs- are you sure they are not affected by inflation, rising interest rates and mortgages, prices and so much more?

What about your ACs and GCs- are you sure they are not affected by inflation, rising interest rates and mortgages, prices and so much more?

Some of mine are, yes, but they live in Australia.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/01/priced-out-how-australians-are-being-hit-by-the-soaring-cost-of-food
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/02/rba-interest-rates-reserve-bank-increases-official-cash-rate-to-385-in-shock-decision
There's a housing crisis in some areas too.

But this is a personal thread. It's your personal bee in your bonnet which you won't let go of. Meanwhile life has moved on.

What about your adult children and grandchildren
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

Aveline

But this is a personal thread. It's your personal bee in your bonnet which you won't let go of. Meanwhile life has moved on.

Strange, really, other countries aren't having any problems at all, just the UK.

Everywhere else in the world is sunlit uplands.

MerylStreep

^What about your adult children and grandchildren^
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

😁

Callistemon21

MerylStreep

What about your adult children and grandchildren
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

😁

Ditto our AC

Holidays, meals out, house renovations.

Just living and loving life.

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Fp I do hope that you have the capacity to prevent your anxieties about Brexit filtering through to your grandchildren. As a grandmother myself I would hate my grandchildren to think that I predicted such a bleak future for them, blighted by Brexit and the heavy price you believe they will have to pay as a result of it. You seem to think that you can predict the future, whereas I understand that none of us can and definitely not with the degree of certainty that you display here.

Your constant repetitive posts on this matter in an attempt, as I have stated before, to bolster your firm, fixed (some would say false) belief that Brexit is a disaster, only serve to feed your already disproportionate anxiety and (dis)tress.

Please, Fp, take a step back.

Mazzie66
In a previous life Fleurpepper predicted that the ferries, planes, and trains would stop running due to Brexit.
Perhaps she’s got a new crystal ball 😂

Fp I do hope that you have the capacity to prevent your anxieties about Brexit filtering through to your grandchildren. As a grandmother myself I would hate my grandchildren to think that I predicted such a bleak future for them, blighted by Brexit and the heavy price you believe they will have to pay as a result of it

Very sensible advice, mazzie66
Our DGC really have had enough to cope with in recent years, with Covid, lockdowns, missing school, education (although many schools did their very best under such difficult circumstances), exams disrupted and missing their peers too. We keep hearing how all this has caused social anxiety in many teenagers.
Then the war in Ukraine - children cannot be shielded from the news these days, it surrounds us.

We cannot burden them with more anxieties about things which may never happen, it's irresponsible.

Aveline

Ukraine?

I'm saddened by Ukraine but I'm far more concerned about what's happening in the UK today.

Poppyred

I didn’t even see the BUS - what a load of baloney

You must have been asleep then. The bus was all over the news both tv and print media.

Joseann

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I would agree that Leave voters were probably naive, and that the Boris lot lied, but fools] (idiots) is not the best choice of word to describe those on GN who clearly stated their reasoning.

No, many of them talked about their feelings but there were very few who wee able to reason coherently.

Maggiemaybe

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I posted earlier about people I worked amongst, struggling at the bottom of our society and worried about their cleaning/labouring/kitchen jobs being taken by EU workers prepared to work for less than their already low wages. Those witnessing their children’s classes being disrupted by the daily influx of bewildered children who spoke no English and were in many cases getting their first experience of education at 7 or 8 years old.

You’d have to have a very closed mind to call these people gullible fools.

Unfortunately their anger, angst etc etc were aimed at the wrong people. You should be blaming those with businesses at home who employed foreign workers. Not the EU.

Brexit has been a successful guaranteed attention- seeker for FP for many, many years; surely by now it has been bled dry.

Together with an insincere concerned tone and verging on passive aggressive phrasing , it is looking increasingly foolish .

I really don’t understand why any of our children would need an escape route. We are not living in Syria, Ukraine or any of the other countries people need to escape from. Britain is a safe and pleasant country in which to live.

Brexit seems to be an all-consuming tragedy in your life Fleurpepper. Have you noticed that you are the only one on here with this obsession? We all have more interesting things to talk about with family and friends - and to post on GN. Your obsession and anxiety about this subject and your doom-laden views are not healthy.

Several of you are constantly reminding FP that she is obsessed with Brexit. If you believe that why don't you just stop posting on this thread and then you will be concerned with what she writes.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too.

MerylStreep

Ah, thanks for that. If that’s what was predicted, perhaps she needs one! I’ve only been looking at GN quite recently. I didn’t realise FPS were quite so well entrenched.