Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

She is reminded in the hope that she will take notice and reflect.

Callistemon

I echo that 100%.

Dinahmo

Several of you are constantly reminding FP that she is obsessed with Brexit. If you believe that why don't you just stop posting on this thread and then you will be concerned with what she writes.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too

Perhaps in the hope the OP might read them and consider another viewpoint from people who are living in the UK?
Who can see a wider picture and look at world events?

However, it is unlikely so yes, perhaps it's a waste of time and also answering statements such as No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

The world?? Really?

If we wish to counteract some of the rather outlandish statements on the thread, we will.
Otherwise a thread could become one-sided with sycophantic views that are not all representative of Gransnetters.

Oh dear! I have developed a terrible fascination with this thread and find myself checking yet again to see if it’s still alive. How long will it keep going? How many times will the OP try to keep it alive? After it finally dies how long will it be before the OP tries to reincarnate it in another, slightly different form?
If only we could just let it pass away in peace.

Oh she'll be back.

Dinahmo

Joseann

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I would agree that Leave voters were probably naive, and that the Boris lot lied, but fools] (idiots) is not the best choice of word to describe those on GN who clearly stated their reasoning.

No, many of them talked about their feelings but there were very few who wee able to reason coherently.

No, that's not fair. I wasn't on GN 7 or 8 years ago to read, but in the last 12 months or so on here several very articulate posters wrote their reasons for voting Leave. I remember a couple of posters from the Remain side came on to thank them for being open and explaining.

As sure as night follows day.

Dinahmo

Unfortunately their anger, angst etc etc were aimed at the wrong people. You should be blaming those with businesses at home who employed foreign workers. Not the EU.

I’m blaming no one. Like most on here, I’d imagine, I have a comfortable life well away from the problems. Their worry (and where did I say they were angry? ) was in many cases targeted in the only possible way they could see, by voting to stop free movement.

What were they to do about their school - boycott it? There were children literally turning up at the doors nearly every day, and they had to be admitted - straight into class with no notice and no time for teachers to prepare for them. The LA had to abandon its procedures whereby parents had to apply to them for places and they’d be allocated a school.

If you didn’t live or work in the sort of area affected, it’s very easy to dismiss the concerns. But not very empathetic.

I have stated that I actually voted to remain. My point was that people had valid reasons for voting for Brexit. You obviously don’t see it, so you agree that they were all just gullible fools then?

Aveline

Oh she'll be back.

Oh indeed, and I am certainly not the only one to be concerned about it. As long as B has such a negative effect on the UK in so so many ways- some of us will keep going.

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life, and not make personal attacks and comments on 'she' (how rude!).

After thinking on inflation and interest rate changes - things change, as happened in the late 70s, also. All was well after a few years.

It seems recent low interest drove housing prices up.

Current interest rates seem somewhat normal - we bought at 5% in late 50s. Our children bought at slightly higher rates, worked well.

To me, interest isn't an issue. I know I'll be told I'm wrong.

Who are the ‘some of us’ and what do you hope to achieve by this constant moaning? Apart from driving the rest of us nuts that is,

Fleurpepper

Aveline

Oh she'll be back.

Oh indeed, and I am certainly not the only one to be concerned about it. As long as B has such a negative effect on the UK in so so many ways- some of us will keep going.

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life, and not make personal attacks and comments on 'she' (how rude!).

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life
I hope you can see the irony in that remark!

I've said previously on this thread and others, I really do not want to be associated with the remarks of others who voted Remain who continue to make derogatory remarks about the intelligence of anyone who voted to leave.

It is unbelievably arrogant and rude and, in my experience, untrue. I'm not apologising for their crassness, though, just wish to say that not all of us are like that.

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/17/brexit-to-blame-for-rising-inflation-says-former-bank-of-england-governor?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Interesting article explaining how Brexit is to blame for persistent inflation. I don't recall seeing warnings during the campaign that this could have been a consequence ol leaving the EU.

Not Liz Truss then?
She and Kwarteng were a disaster waiting for a place to happen.

For me , it’s hard to believe that FP was a teacher judging by her lack of tolerance for those of a different viewpoint.
She goes further, and seems to want to humiliate posters of different opinions to her own.

It makes no sense how such a dogmatic person made a career out of teaching our young people ; to now claim to speak out of concern is disingenuous.

Because this thread appears to be omnipresent at the moment whenever I come on to GN, the overriding thing that strikes me is the opening gambit of "has the penny dropped?" When I was at junior school that was teacher talk aimed at any pupil who was presumably too thick struggling to grasp a concept, usually in a maths lesson where intimidation was the order of the day and the "be kind" concept was aeons in the future. Usually delivered by an increasingly red faced nun almost screaming "has the penny dropped" at cowered pupil who would be struggling with fractions, long division, or whatever and could expect an imminent rap with a blackboard rubber to help focus the mind

ImogenMac

For me , it’s hard to believe that FP was a teacher judging by her lack of tolerance for those of a different viewpoint.
She goes further, and seems to want to humiliate posters of different opinions to her own.

It makes no sense how such a dogmatic person made a career out of teaching our young people ; to now claim to speak out of concern is disingenuous.

Obviously the dogmatic approach seems to be taking over the teaching of our young people. Think as I think , not give them a rounded approach, then let the student find their own voice and thoughts. A teacher at a friend's school has told 8 year old that potatoes are bad for you, guess what, "teacher told me potatoes are bad for you,so I don't want any". How's that for the beginning of dogma and brain washing. I truly despair of what is being taught nowadays.

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I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

As a long term Remainer I have been used to abuse from Brexiteers none of whom have ever been able to give me a rationale for Brexit. The whole wretched venture was based on lies from the start. When I heard last week that Boris was resigning from the ship of state he sank I was do elated, everything I had foretold had been proven right. I expect that there are still a small number of believers in Brexit though and being open minded I would like to hear why they think Brexit was anything but a disaster.

Replies based on sound economics fully appreciated.

Joseann

I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

I think you are correct Joseann

We often remark when visiting an EU Country that they have a very flexible approach to EU laws…

GrannyGravy13

Joseann

I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

I think you are correct Joseann

We often remark when visiting an EU Country that they have a very flexible approach to EU laws…

I think you might find that dogs on the beach are nothing to do with EU law. The rules are local - you should complain at the Mairie.
In our experience (and we hate dogs on the beach) the rules are enforced much more strictly when the beaches are under surveillance from the start of the school holidays.

The only place I ever see people talking about brexit is on here.
No one I know in RL ever mentions it.
No one I know ( leave or remain ) has noticed any change in their day to day lives. So it’s probably only a very small percentage who have been severely affected. The way some remainers talk on here you’d think the sky had fallen in. It’s very odd.
Regarding the op going on & on about it, this is probably the only place she can moan about it for hours on end, surely no one in RL would have the patience?
But it’s not a banned subject so as long as people keep talking to her about it she’ll carry on.
Best to ignore in future.

Oh what took you so long Kandinsky?

No-one in RL talks about Brexit anymore? Well, I can only say that it depends very much in your RL circles.

I have not insulted anyone who voted Leave. I have and will continue to state that Brexit has, is and will continue to- cause massive damage to the UK and its people, in so so many ways.

Still not seen a single list of positives of Brexit on GN- despite many of us asking, again and again. I wonder why this is?

You can ignore me of course- much better than insult me.

But your ACs and GCs probably won't be able to, I am afraid.

Kandinsky

The only place I ever see people talking about brexit is on here.
No one I know in RL ever mentions it.
No one I know ( leave or remain ) has noticed any change in their day to day lives. So it’s probably only a very small percentage who have been severely affected. The way some remainers talk on here you’d think the sky had fallen in. It’s very odd.
Regarding the op going on & on about it, this is probably the only place she can moan about it for hours on end, surely no one in RL would have the patience?
But it’s not a banned subject so as long as people keep talking to her about it she’ll carry on.
Best to ignore in future.

It’s on the news constantly Kandinsky, and there have been at least 20 threads on Mumsnet this year for example, you could look on any chat site and it would no doubt be the same. You must be mixing in rarefied circles if people you know aren’t talking about it, because it impacts on all our lives.
There’s a series starting on BBC next week which you may find useful.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n1ks