Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Well, thankfully I’m mixing in the same rarefied circles as kandinsky. It may impact our lives but what’s done is done and continually discussing something you can’t change must be incredibly frustrating and depressing.

It’s just part of life’s rich tapestry Germanshepherdsmum. It seems odd to me that people don’t talk about anything that directly affects their lives, particularly when the impacts are reported so often in the news, but I’m certainly not obsessed by it either.

I suppose there’s just so much more to talk about Casdon, including other things which affect our lives - and a lot of cheerful things! My life is so much better since I retired and moved to the north Norfolk coast, I’m happy and content despite being aware of world and domestic issues others wring their hands over. I have never seen the point in endless discussions about negative things you can’t change - I prefer to focus on things that I can change for the better,

There is plenty to talk about of course, and I’m sure everybody talks about lots of other stuff too. I realise that not everybody is interested in politics and news so that doesn’t form part of their everyday conversations - I don’t talk about the royals much at all, I’m just not interested, but I am interested in the things that impact on mine and other peoples lives, so I want to talk about them. I’d say that’s the norm, not existing in a bubble where such things as the impact of Brexit aren’t discussed as Kandinsky said she did.

Fp Can you clarify something for me, please as a newcomer trying to get my head around some of these threads? You ask for a list of the positives of Brexit and yet in a previous post you state very insistently that Brexit isn’t done yet nor implemented in so many ways. Isn’t there something of a contradiction there? A list of positives for something that you say hasn’t happened?

It also begs the question that if Brexit isn’t done why you’re getting yourself in quite such a tiz about it!

Oh, we discuss politics and don’t exist in a bubble Casdon! But we don’t obsess over things we can’t change.

ImogenMac

Brexit has been a successful guaranteed attention- seeker for FP for many, many years; surely by now it has been bled dry.

Together with an insincere concerned tone and verging on passive aggressive phrasing , it is looking increasingly foolish .

In a nutshell. You’ve cracked it, ImogenMac

Germanshepherdsmum

Oh, we discuss politics and don’t exist in a bubble Casdon! But we don’t obsess over things we can’t change.

Sorry, I didn’t say you did, it was *Kandinsky’s post I referred to. As I said, I certainly don’t obsess over it either, but it comes up in conversation pretty often because it has such a significant impact.

TerryBull
I had noticed it. The trouble is, these opinions are so entrenched that even through posters think they are hiding these views it’s part of their DNA that can’t be hidden.

mazzie66

Fp Can you clarify something for me, please as a newcomer trying to get my head around some of these threads? You ask for a list of the positives of Brexit and yet in a previous post you state very insistently that Brexit isn’t done yet nor implemented in so many ways. Isn’t there something of a contradiction there? A list of positives for something that you say hasn’t happened?

It also begs the question that if Brexit isn’t done why you’re getting yourself in quite such a tiz about it!

For many years GNetters have asked what were the benefits of brexit?

The only answer seems to be "things are almost as bad in the EU"

So no benefits at all, let alone all those sunny uplands promised by the Leave Liars, led by liar in chief, Boris Johnson..

They said ‘we hold all the cards’ and that the NHS would benefit financially from it. I’ve no idea what has changed with fishing, something that had a huge amount of publicity even though its contribution to the economy was miniscule. We asked ‘what about Ireland’ but no one listened, and that is one of the reasons why Brexit took so long. We were going to get a great trade deal with America I think but I’m not aware of that happening. My grandchildren won’t have access to the Erasmus programme. Vote leave wouldn’t have won if it wasn’t for Johnson who is now totally discredited and proved to be a liar. The farmers have been totally let down. I don’t understand why people aren’t annoyed that the things they were promised never happened. And we still don’t have control of our borders. So what was it all about? And when the pandemic enquiry shows it’s findings I’m pretty sure that it will find that one of the reasons why we were so unprepared was because all the government and the PM could think about was Brexit ( along with Johnson’s divorce).

Joseann

I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

Dogs were banned on beaches in Suffolk during the summer months when I lived there. Not sure if it's the same now. Some people ignored the ban - it could have been that they'd some distance to the beach with their dog, only to find they couldn't take it to the beach. The certainly couldn't leave the dog in the car so what to do?

The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules

It's taken a while! 😁

But I'm sure you knew that anyway 😀

Yes, that must be it, very rarified circles. Do I remember right that one was a paid up member of Leave and a big admiror of Farage?

I did ask some friends to day about this 'no-one is talking about Brexit in RL' comment. And the replies were interesting.

'If Brexit was a success, they would be talking about it all the time' - and 'the subject has been hidden away, like the dodgy Uncle that supported Hitler' and a few more in the right vein.

Brexit will be a major subject come the GE, be it nex year or sooner, and when a new Government comes into power- especially if a coalition. Whether you like it or not, I'm afraid.

If moving in those very rarified circles, one is probably not aware that only 30%, and falling by the day, are still in favour of Brexit. Depending where you live (and I do love the North Norfolk coast, but ... it is rarified in so many ways, including politically, then I am not surprised.

Great entertainment however, piling on, rudeness, personal attacks, and so on. Be my guest- as you seem to relish in it all. Some of you to seem a bit (lot) obsessed, indeed.

I approx know 400 people.
They have to be a mix of Leavers and Remainers.
Not one has mentioned Brexit in about 3 years? 5 years?
Old and young. More older than younger.

As I think I said previously, the "mistake" was made in 2016 or whatever year it was, of going by polls on this matter.

Cant see a politician of any flavour chancing that again in a very long while.
Imagine the egg on face if it went "wrong" again.

Politicians do not like being humiliated.

If I was living on the Continent, I think I would be.
I would feel I wanted to talk with them about it.
The whole thing would affect me much more. For the things that have been talked about.
And it is a common ground topic of conversation.
The whole perspective would be different.
Like being outside, and looking in on things.

North Norfolk is rarified in so many ways, including politically? On what do you base that statement? Do you believe that I and my family and friends living throughout the UK and indeed the world who visit are rendered politically unaware upon reaching north Norfolk? How monstrously insulting.

Fancythat
like being outside and looking in on things
Speaking for myself, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
I’ve never needed another person and certainly not another country/ countries to validate my self worth.

OK I'll try one benefit of Brexit, (because I'm a big spender!) Our UK contactless limit has increased to £100 whereas while in the EU, Britain was bound by a £45 cap imposed on all member states.

Not insulting at all- I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment.

If Brexit had turned out to be a good thing, the gloating would be never ending. As it is, no wonder those rarified circles would rather not talk about it- as it is such a mess.

Onwards, forwards, indeed. Can't wait for the GE and for the real discussions to begin- because onwards and forwards it will have to be. A coalition will be required, and other parties will force Starmer to renegotiate a closer relationship with EU, including Single Market. That will probably mean Free Movement.

BTW a report today show clearly that 'getting rid' of foreing workers has not led ot higher wages for British Workers.

Yorkshire was full of huge posters saying give us our country back and peoples houses had leave posters in windows. It must have had an effect on the way people voted. There was one house with pro EU stuff: the day after the result I knocked on their door to thank them. She said she worked in road transport and she could see the problems that Brexit would cause. I was so ashamed that foreign students visiting Fountains Abbey saw those posters and were made to feel so unwelcome. This was in Sunaks constituency.

‘Other parties will force Starmer’ and so on Fleurpepper 👎
Wishful thinking on your part. Bet you anything there’ll never be free movement of people ever again in Britain.

Maybee70 that was seven years ago, move on!

Let me assure you that I don’t move in rarefied circles and that there is no question of choosing not to talk about it. It’s not the elephant in the room. I have many more interesting things to talk about, unlike it seems you Fleurpepper. It seems to be your sole topic of conversation here - and you don’t live in the UK or the EU. Bizarre.

Setting out Britain’s relationship with Europe under a Labour government, Starmer will say: “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union.” He will add: “We will not return to freedom of movement to create short term fixes. Instead we will invest in our people and our places, and deliver on the promise our country has.”

That’s from the Labour Party website.

So sorry op, think you’re in for ( even more )disappointment.

Caramme

Oh dear! I have developed a terrible fascination with this thread and find myself checking yet again to see if it’s still alive. How long will it keep going? How many times will the OP try to keep it alive? After it finally dies how long will it be before the OP tries to reincarnate it in another, slightly different form?
If only we could just let it pass away in peace.

I think we will all pass away in peace before that happens.