Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Oreo

‘Other parties will force Starmer’ and so on Fleurpepper 👎
Wishful thinking on your part. Bet you anything there’ll never be free movement of people ever again in Britain.

Maybee70 that was seven years ago, move on!

Why should I? Oh, because you tell me to. . How patronising.

I see the crystal ball has come out again with the predictions.
I think we should file that under the same as the ferries etc won’t run. 😂

For what it’s worth I am one of the people in the Labour Party who are backing Keir in his ‘we have to make Brexit work’ approach. But I will never ever forget that night when the results came in. It was like a living nightmare. I know how I felt that night. Johnson was/is a liar. Everything he said about Brexit was a lie. Turkey joining the EU? I heard him lie. Just as I heard him lie in Parliament about the parties. Those lies have brought about his downfall but his lies about Brexit remain and he will never be brought to justice for than. And that makes me angry.

What sort of punishment do you have in mind?

I take it that you haven't seen the latest disgraceful party Tory shenanigans GSM
A room full of kids partying the night away
Do you know something, my SIL brought my little granddaughters around to sit on the lawn , the youngest needed a wee , fancy having to agonise if that was allowed
All the while the Tories were living it large
The apologists need to stop
Right now

Sat 17-Jun-23 21:55:36
Not insulting at all- I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment

Yet again, somebody who claims to know better than the people who actually live there (and I use the word both in the sense of “vraiment ” as well as “actuellement”)

Logically there is no other way forward for the U.K. other than closer working with the EU.

It will happen.

We simply have to get rid of the shambles of a government, which appears to have done nothing of any note for at least 7 years, other than give copious amounts of tax payers money away to its supporters including the right wing press, and trashed everything of value in our society.

Yes, just as posters on here know that "nobody I know ever discuss Brexit." Whereas the topic frequently crops up in my circles. Still, they know better.

If only Keir Starmer would nail his colours to the pro- European mast.
But Labour are just as pro- Brexit as the Tories.

Lumiere

I take it that you haven't seen the latest disgraceful party Tory shenanigans GSM
A room full of kids partying the night away
Do you know something, my SIL brought my little granddaughters around to sit on the lawn , the youngest needed a wee , fancy having to agonise if that was allowed
All the while the Tories were living it large
The apologists need to stop
Right now

Er - where did that come from? I might be a Conservative voter but I am not an apologist for rule breaking.

Greta

Yes, just as posters on here know that "nobody I know ever discuss Brexit." Whereas the topic frequently crops up in my circles. Still, they know better.

If someone says nobody they know still harps on about Brexit, that person obviously mixes in different circles to you. It doesn’t mean that nobody discusses it - we have a poster here who seems to talk about nothing else.

Lumiere

I take it that you haven't seen the latest disgraceful party Tory shenanigans GSM
A room full of kids partying the night away
Do you know something, my SIL brought my little granddaughters around to sit on the lawn , the youngest needed a wee , fancy having to agonise if that was allowed
All the while the Tories were living it large
The apologists need to stop
Right now

I don’t know what that has to do with this thread.
All I will say, is: more fool you giving thought to if your granddaughter can use your toilet
. Seriously 😟

There are very good reasons why Brexiters don't want to talk about Brexit. And turn to mockery, personal attacks, and comments as the one above. And that is because they know it is a disaster. And when you are part of a disaster, and helped it on the way- well, you'd rather forget about it- and that others did too. It is quite obvious and simple.

But as said, Johnson departure and the demise of the ERG, have changed the scene totally. Whether you believe me or not, is irrelevant. As for the above behaviour by some, bordering on bullying and intimidation- then I'll take it on the chin with a pinch of salt. Of course, no-one but no-one can force anyone to read this, nor to respond- so if you do, it is entirely your choice, not mine.

Excellent article in the Guardian explains how the situation has changed

'That is why, in an important sense, these past few days are fundamentally about Brexit. Until recently, Brexit had become a taboo. It felt inevitable that a generation would have to pass before it was politically possible for a new form of relationship to be constructed with the EU that would undo the harm of the vote in 2016. Economic struggles, the challenges of climate and migration, and the war in Ukraine all make the need for that rebuilding more pressing. A steady shift in public opinion towards closer cooperation, followed by Johnson’s fall, now opens the door to a much more determined re-engagement.

That will not be easy. But the biggest lie that Johnson ever told, and the one that was most widely believed, was over Brexit. It has resulted in the largest piece of damage of the many he inflicted on the country. Johnson’s fall and unpopularity ought, therefore, to reopen Britain’s relationship with Europe. That is too big a question for this or any other future government to keep locked away in the too-difficult box. It is time, in other words, to take back control.'

If I say Nobody I know ….etc, that is precisely because nobody I know…etc.
If your position is otherwise @ Greta , that’s fine. I am not commenting on you or indeed anybody you know.

It is not the same as contradicting somebody who lives in Norfolk and saying “ I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment” blah, blah, blah.

As for the above behaviour by some, bordering on bullying and intimidation
Oh it is so easy to play the “bullying, intimidation “ card regardless of how rude a person has been about others or their opinions.

I have said so many times, Fleurpepper, that I voted to remain. So did my husband and immediate family. What’s my reason for not wanting this constant barrage from you then? Answer - I accept what has happened and know that I can do nothing to change it. The major political parties will I have no doubt seek to work more closely with the EU, but not to rejoin.

Foxygloves

If only Keir Starmer would nail his colours to the pro- European mast.
But Labour are just as pro- Brexit as the Tories.

That’s not true. Keir just realises that we have to rebuild our relationship with Europe and that is what a Labour government will do. It isn’t the same as being pro Brexit. He’s just been pragmatic. Unlike Corbyn he was on our peoples vote marches. What he does need to do is openly say that Brexit has been a disaster but then the red wall voters will accuse him of planning to take us back into the EU and will vote Conservative again and that will be a disaster for both them and the country.

Foxygloves

Sat 17-Jun-23 21:55:36
Not insulting at all- I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment

Yet again, somebody who claims to know better than the people who actually live there (and I use the word both in the sense of “vraiment ” as well as “actuellement”)

And this
And that is because they know it is a disaster. And when you are part of a disaster, and helped it on the way- well, you'd rather forget about it- and that others did too. It is quite obvious and simple.

Telling others what they are thinking, instisting that you know, well it is all just not on. So very far from not on.

The arrogance is breathtaking.

Effectively calling them liars.
I do not lie.
I do not think as you are saying.

All way beyond the pale for me.

Being so far wrong, and after all the comments, no point me commenting further. I quit.

Indeed Foxy. I have spent an annual holiday in this area with family for more years than I can remember, before moving here seven years ago. I therefore know just a smidgen more about what goes on here than the OP. She might be surprised at the number of wealthy professionals who have chosen to retire to these parts, hence the pockets of very high property prices - we are not a bunch of ignorant carrot crunchers.

Here is the link to the full article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/15/boris-johnson-brexit-britain-think-again-eu

Not even the tiniest of violins for our loss of income of 60%- I get it, fair enough, it was just given as an example (and yes, not all due to Brexit, but a combination of factors).

But the loss of Sterling value is very significant on the price paid by UK on servicing the enormous debt, the cost of energy, essential chemicals, medicines, food of every kind, energy, cars and 1000s of other goods, industrial chain parts and materials, incl. construction, etc, etc. No exageration here, I can assure you. Depending where the UK has to import 'stuff' - not only does it have to pay important taxes and charges and increased costs of every kind (and soon an extra fee for each consignment)- but it also has to cover the loss due to exchange rates. This will be more for some countries or economic areas, depending on local currency, and will keep changing. The Pound seems to have somewhat stabilised, but no-one knows what will happen next.

When the Pound is low - it seriously affects the UK's buying power, and this is even more so when there are shortages elsewhere, If and when there is a glut to sell, exporters will agree to take on some of the loss in exchange rates. When there are shortages, they will sell to the closest, nearest, easiest, with a good rate of exchange or none (as EU to EU for instance), as well as to those in their 'club'- partners.

Why should they sell to those who are difficult to reach in so so many ways (see the situation in Dover last few years), expensive to reach, and with low purchasing power due to low exchange rates- and no longer a partner. ? Why oh why would they? As said, especially when there are shortages. Food, medicines, energy, chemicals, parts- you name it. Some things you can choose to buy local- like meat and veg. If you have the money, of course- and in the middle of inflation and cost of living crisis, when people are truly struggling- the local farm or butcher's is not going to be a choice for all, not even on GN.

So, Brexit is taboo, boring, repetitive, annoying - oh I could not agree more. But something will have to be done- and the departure of Johnson and the ERG is the beginning. GE will be the next stage. Even if it is, taboo, boring, repetitive and annoying.

Another gorgeous day here. So will leave you to it.

I don’t think brexit is a disaster, as I’ve said before, I haven’t noticed a single difference in the 7 or 8 years since we voted ( or is it 9 years? )
Why vote for it then?
Because I like knowing we’re no longer tied to the EU - that’s enough for me.
I honestly can’t think of a single negative to being out of the EU, & I’m still so proud of the UK for voting to leave. 👏

Good for you fancythat. I think we’re basically being called guilty, delusional liars with our heads in the sand regardless of how we voted in the referendum. And this from someone who lives in neither the UK nor the EU.

Looks like the OP has left us in peace, but like the Terminator she’ll be back. I guarantee it.

Why is someone who doesn’t live in the UK or EU obsessed with Brexit?

Doesn’t make sense to me.