Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

MayBee70

Oreo

Maybee70 if you and DH moan about it every day ( do you
really?) then not a healthy way to live.
Listening to podcasts that talk about it all the time isn’t great either.
It will take years to sort out properly and politicians should have been honest about that.All of Europe has a refugee/ asylum seeker problem amongst others.
The greatest impact on people has been the war in Ukraine with all the knock on price hikes, that’s what’s really affecting money in pockets and the biggest worry to everyone I know.

You obviously don’t listen to The Rest is Politics then. Or it’s interview one, Listening. Can I suggest that you listen to one and then tell me that listening to such an informative, interesting, funny podcast is bad for my mental health. Their live shows sell out faster than Glastonbury. Rory is usually speaking from an airport somewhere as he never seems to stop travelling. He did the emergency Johnson podcast at one in the morning, having just returned home to Jordan. There’s also a lot of chat about wild swimming, books, football and bagpipe playing. And music hall stars…they say it’s to rekindle the At of disagreeing agreeably, something that MP’s in parliament used to do pre Brexit, too. It wasn’t me that polarised the country but a divide and rule tactic employed by vote leave.

They have produced some good stuff lately I think. Always worth a listen to though.

Fleurpepper

Oh Poppyred, come off it! Everybody has known for a very long time. What were you called before, and Oreo!

Don't feel sorry for me, despite being seriously affected by Brexit is so so many ways, as MayBe70 says- I have a magical life. So don't waste your sorry on me.

Nothing goady about my post- it is clear that Johnson's demise is a game changer, and that Brexit has never been a democratic choice, nor has been implemented.

And that Democracy means it can be changed, or even reversed in the future.

How you can say this is 'goady' is just weird.

Back to OP 'Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?'

Do you Oreo, do you Poppy?

This is just, well weird. Who was I and poppy before? Before what exactly?Who were you? Is this the real life or just a fantasy.😆
Look, Brexit threads are a yawn fest and you thinking that Boris resigning for now! Is a ‘game changer’ is just delusional.

So how & when are we rejoining the EU?
Is it just going to happen quietly whilst no one is looking or is there going to be an announcement?
‘Ok everyone, we’re rejoining the EU as of next Wednesday’
I mean, seriously, how is it going to happen?

Maybee70 You’re right there I don’t listen to it, am working part time shifts and childminding in free time for DD’s.
If Brexit is mentioned in all in ‘Rory’s podcasts, and the subject annoys you then listening can’t be good for a peaceful life, but obvs that’s up to you.

Kandinsky

So how & when are we rejoining the EU?
Is it just going to happen quietly whilst no one is looking or is there going to be an announcement?
‘Ok everyone, we’re rejoining the EU as of next Wednesday’
I mean, seriously, how is it going to happen?

In a way we are already retreating from the hard brexit forced on us by Johnson.

NI is one example and closer working is definitely on the cards.

As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit we will undoubtedly begin to cooperate in many more areas.

Brexit has never been a democratic choice and And that Democracy means it can be changed, or even reversed in the future. Genuinely confused by this.

So, if there was another referendum and the majority voted to reverse Brexit that would be democratic but the fact that the majority of those who took the time to vote, voted for Brexit is undemocratic.

Smileless2012 😂 yeah that sums it up nicely for some.
Of course it was a democratic vote the first time around.

Do you expect everything you vote for to be written in tablets of stone for all time?

What a pickle we would be in!!

So yes of course if there is another referendum (and I sincerely hope there is not) and it resulted in reversing the decision, then assuming the EU were in agreement, it would be reversed.

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Callistemon 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Yeah what hammer blows?😄

That wasn't what my post was about Whitewavemark. I agree that if there were another referendum and the majority voted for a reversal of Brexit that would be democratic, so why am I constantly seeing references to the undemocratic vote by a majority in favour of Brexit?

Oreo.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

Why drop out of the thread when many people see an agenda here? I wasn't around on GN during Brexit times, but even I am getting quite a good picture of how the disappointment of the result has turned some Remainers very sour towards others, who are only trying to get on with life and don't like their country being constantly criticised.

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

So apart from the statistics and evidence we see every day, i can give you first hand information.

I have been unfortunate enough to have to attend A&E a number of times over the past couple of weeks in different counties, and in No A&E was the wait less than 6 hours.

In fact on my last visit, after waiting 4 hours and at about 11.30 at night the A&E consultant came into the waiting room to ask anyone who could manage to go home and see their GP, as they were not coping. I was unable to comply because I needed morphine.

When I eventually got to see a splendid young doctor at about 1Am I asked why the request and of course it was severe staff shortage.

Guess the reason - given in every case!

Fleurpepper

Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

"Brexit" was a one day event. It's over, dead, deceased, happened and moved on.

Those who need to listen for dropping pennies are those who haven't realised yet that it is the running of our country that is the disaster. Yes, some of that is due to "events" that any government would have had to deal with. Yes, some of that is due to our changed relationship with the world's largest single market. With both self-inflicted and global issues we need a competent government.

One without constant internal machinations would be a start. One that understands that running a government requires a great deal more than constant "charisma" injections into the arms of "I'm entitled to my opinion" voters. Then we could add one that recognises that good manners towards friends and allies is a plus. Last but not least, the recognition that we are all equal and all deserve the opportunity to thrive would also go a long way.

Blimey, if you dont like what Fleur says and you have better things to do, then you have no need to post on this thread. it always ticks me when people come in to complain about a thread instead of passing on by.

I can't think of a time when I haven't grieved for losing our connections with our nearest neighbours, and it's not all about peace.
We've had the lists and reasons, I'm just with the O/P on continual reminders of our foolish decision.

Tickles me not ticks me

Smileless2012

That wasn't what my post was about Whitewavemark. I agree that if there were another referendum and the majority voted for a reversal of Brexit that would be democratic, so why am I constantly seeing references to the undemocratic vote by a majority in favour of Brexit?

Oreo.

Oh I see, well, it was agreed in a court of law that the leave campaign was fraudulent and therefore undemocratic.

Nothing, however could be done because the vote was only “advisory”

Does that answer your question?

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Germanshepherdsmum

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Why shouldn’t she?

Whitewavemark2

Sorry to hear about your health issues but I
don’t think our crumbling NHS is all down to brexit. Staff are leaving because they aren’t earning enough money, the job is hard & stressful & people can have a better work / life balance in other jobs.
Hopefully when Labour get back in they’ll
increase wages & improve work conditions.

It’s too easy to blame brexit for everything that’s going wrong with the nhs.
My mum had a planned operation cancelled 3 times 30 years ago.
So maybe rose tinted glasses are being worn here.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Why shouldn’t she?

Teddies Whitewavemark2. Teddies.

I think if the title gave a bit of a heads up, then people would feel better about it?

Fleurpepper Brexit - Has the penny dropped as fast as the Pound Brexit is a disaster? type thing.

Not my beef really. I have only been on this site for 5 months. Cant say I have seen her mention Brexit before, as I have not personally been looking.
But there clearly is an issue for many.