Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

I agree, MayBe, they don't want to discuss it because they don't want to admit that they were wrong in voting for Brexit. All their glib replies are just to hide their blushes. We need a public inquiry into the whole thing and those who were responsible for misinforming the public should be named and shamed. There is a public inquiry into Covid so that we learn from the mistakes that were made. The same should be done with Brexit.

Again, I know people are not particularly talking about me.

But I am glad about Brexit. Didnt dream about voting differently then or now personally.

I do think people need to be a bit careful. The vote was called incorrectly back then. I think it could be now too.
The silent majority are often just that. Silent. And the majority.

And that ends my peacekeeping on this subject and on another thread.

Have a nice day everyone. And as far as I am concerned, let the hot weather continue. Until we all need the rain once more.

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

We haven’t been able to move forward for the past seven years, though, because it took years to get Brexit done: and it still isn’t done. Rees Mogg didn’t point out in the run up to the referendum that it would take 50 years to reap the benefits. Mind you it only took him 7 years to reap his benefit…being honoured by Johnson for service to the country

As far as I can see on this thread no-one is explaining all the claimed advantages of Brexit. Nor did the Mogg find any Brexit opportunities when he was Minister for the same. Where are the super new trade deals? How does it help our fishermen and farmers? How does extra port paperwork help food prices? What about the loss of employment opportunities in Europe now free movement has gone? Has it made dealing with immigration more difficult?

DaisyAnne, we need to learn from the past, for by doing so we will avoid making similar mistakes again and we won't do that by not discussing where we went wrong, however boring you may find it.

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Which rather begs the question... why did we leave?

It was meant to make a difference - isn't that why people voted for it?

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

DaisyAnneReturns - where from DaisyAnne?

If we talk about how we are governed today we will have to reference the current government and some of its more obvious, erm, "mis-steps" which, on here, is quite frequently regarded as 'Tory-bashing'.

Referring back to Brexit is not necessarily living in the past - it was, basically, the moment from which the whole sorry saga started. And deserves to be examined. Because a lot of people have been disappointed by what they were promised and what the reality of those promises turned into.

The vote happened seven years ago!
DaisyAnneReturns is quite right where she lays the blame no matter where she returns from.

Quote Fleurpepper Sun 11-Jun-23 12:38:57
Oh Poppyred, come off it! Everybody has known for a very long time. What were you called before, and Oreo
Who, do tell?
Don't feel sorry for me, despite being seriously affected by Brexit is so so many ways, as MayBe70 says- I have a magical life. So don't waste your sorry on me
I have no intention of wasting any sorry on anybody

Oreo

The vote happened seven years ago!
DaisyAnneReturns is quite right where she lays the blame no matter where she returns from.

The vote happened seven years ago!

So? Is there a time-limit on political events after which they can't be talked about?

It's not about "the vote" anyway - it's about the ongoing effects of the decision taken at that time.

How many years did it take the anti EU lot to turn round the original vote?

Of course it has to be discussed. One of the most serious political mistakes driven by opportunism. Politicians must learn from it as must we all. And we have to find a way back to the advantages gained by politicians of a more considered time including Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher. We also should reflect on the status of referendums in the UK: it was a blunder by Cameron which caused the Brexit one to go beyond being advisory to Parliament.

Josianne
and don’t like their country being constantly criticised
The same as I can criticise my children but don’t you dare.
I suppose we should be used to it after all these years, but we’re not.

Joseann

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

Why drop out of the thread when many people see an agenda here? I wasn't around on GN during Brexit times, but even I am getting quite a good picture of how the disappointment of the result has turned some Remainers very sour towards others, who are only trying to get on with life and don't like their country being constantly criticised.

Whose country? MY country too, my OH's country too, my childrens and grandchildrens, and family and friends. Why do you think it is not my country? There are many of us who live abroad, have you told them that therefore it is no longer their country?

And none of my posts criticise the country, au contraire- but what has and is being done to an amazing great country- and for what? Not a single person has been able to mention one single benefit of Brexit- not even Rees-Mogg who was appointed and paid handsomely to do so.

Oh we have asked, many of us, time and time again- for a list of benefits. But all we get is mockery and insults, often very personal and truly nasty.

Not only was Brexit a catastrophic mistake, I believe that our grandchildren's generation will be forced to rejoin in some form on much more detrimental terms. So it's quite a valid topic, it hasn't gone away. The UK are still trying to make trade deals with our closest allies after all these years, hardly oven ready. The public were influenced by lies, probably enough by Johnson, to swing the vote. There's a lot of topics that I have no interest on gransnet but I wouldn't dream of posting on the thread and say how it's so boring.

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Daisymae

Not only was Brexit a catastrophic mistake, I believe that our grandchildren's generation will be forced to rejoin in some form on much more detrimental terms. So it's quite a valid topic, it hasn't gone away. The UK are still trying to make trade deals with our closest allies after all these years, hardly oven ready. The public were influenced by lies, probably enough by Johnson, to swing the vote. There's a lot of topics that I have no interest on gransnet but I wouldn't dream of posting on the thread and say how it's so boring.

Me neither and the subject is not boring, Daisymae.
It's how it's presented that is important for any meaningful discussion.

MerylStreep

Good grief 😱 it’s that all you’re thinking about on this glorious day. The beaches are full ( where I live) children absolutely loving it and all you can think about is Brexit, poor you.

Hear, hear, hear hear x 100

Dickens

Kandinsky

As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Which rather begs the question... why did we leave?

It was meant to make a difference - isn't that why people voted for it?

Which, if it makes no difference if we're in or out, rather begs the question - is there any point to it?

I did think there was but 🤔

Poppyred

You always cause trouble Fleurpepper no matter what you call yourself, and then pretend to be innocent. How many times have you been banned from this site?

Come on, don’t be shy, tell us?

Millions of people Do Not Agree with your views…….get over it!

Reported as personal attack irrelevant to the thread. What was your previous name.

I am British and have been for 50 years. So not only is discriminating on grounds of nationality is illegal in British Law, discriminating on false grounds and assumptions, against another British citizen, even more so.

I was banned once, on totally wrong grounds, and re-instated as it was clear the complaints were totally unfounded, and in circumstances relating to a very sad case I shall never ever discuss, out of respect.

Oh goodness!

So I assume that you don’t care about the people that have been affected by Brexit both emotionally and financially? As long as you’re ok and it hasn’t affected you it doesn’t matter. And please don’t go on about how much brexiters lovetheir country: it’s because I love my country that I continue to be angry. I’m also irritated by the fact that there is an assumption that those of us that voted remain go around with long faces moaning all the time wearing sacks and beating ourselves up. Being angry about brexit doesn’t wipe out my sense of humour: crikey, if I couldn’t laugh about a lot of I really would be in a bad way!

Primrose53

MerylStreep

Good grief 😱 it’s that all you’re thinking about on this glorious day. The beaches are full ( where I live) children absolutely loving it and all you can think about is Brexit, poor you.

Hear, hear, hear hear x 100

That was in reply to this by the way…