Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Callistemon21

^The short version is that I killed my computer^
That made me laugh, wondering what the computer did to deserve that!

As well as kittylester's post!

It's done, no bewailing, gnashing of teeth, clutching of pearls will change that and we have to move on, not dwell in the past.
Nor any breastbeating!

Often events don't go the way we hope they will, both in our own lives and for countries too. We have to pick ourselves up, start again, perhaps in another direction, and work towards a positive outcome.

It had been giving up for some time Callistemon. I had nursed it carefully and, following the tradition set by some of our more senior politicians of blaming someone who is held in some esteem and didnt really have anything to do with it, I blame Microsoft for it's final demise

Dinahmo

Smileless2012

That wasn't what my post was about Whitewavemark. I agree that if there were another referendum and the majority voted for a reversal of Brexit that would be democratic, so why am I constantly seeing references to the undemocratic vote by a majority in favour of Brexit?

Oreo.

(a) it was a tiny majority as a proportion of he total population. It should never have been allowed.

(b) We were lied to by the Leavers and if you don't accept that, please do some research.

I think that the reason why so many of us are still angry is that we saw through the lies and couldn’t understand why, in the run up to the referendum, the lies weren’t called out. Or, if they were eg during the debate between Johnson and Ruth Davidson and several others, everyone ignored the truth that Davidson was stating because they were too busy giving Johnson rapturous applause every time he came out with one of his three word sound bites. Farage was given so much air time even though he didn’t have a political position and what he was saying was blatantly racist and xenophobic. And any mention of Ireland was ignored. I was brought up not to lie and I still struggle to witness people succeeding by doing so.

Dinahmo
The subject matter might be interesting but the presentation is deliberately provocative, designed to raise hackles, so posters, whether they voted Leave or Remain, perhaps feel that they should respond.

The OP is not the only person to chat to casual acquaintances of other nations - or even be related to them in some cases - but I doubt many make such derogatory remarks as those Fleurpepper met.

It must have been so embarrassing, Fleurpepper, sitting amongst such rude people and having to admit you are British.

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

The short version is that I killed my computer
That made me laugh, wondering what the computer did to deserve that!

As well as kittylester's post!

It's done, no bewailing, gnashing of teeth, clutching of pearls will change that and we have to move on, not dwell in the past.
Nor any breastbeating!

Often events don't go the way we hope they will, both in our own lives and for countries too. We have to pick ourselves up, start again, perhaps in another direction, and work towards a positive outcome.

It had been giving up for some time Callistemon. I had nursed it carefully and, following the tradition set by some of our more senior politicians of blaming someone who is held in some esteem and didnt really have anything to do with it, I blame Microsoft for it's final demise

I killed one a while ago, DaisyAnneReturns and it was a mere youngster, luckily still under guarantee. However, I lost a lot of files and photos.

Dinahmo

Poppyred

You always cause trouble Fleurpepper no matter what you call yourself, and then pretend to be innocent. How many times have you been banned from this site?

Come on, don’t be shy, tell us?

Millions of people Do Not Agree with your views…….get over it!

U think you'll find that the majority are now opposed to Brexit.

Don’t think so …….

Callistemon21

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

The short version is that I killed my computer
That made me laugh, wondering what the computer did to deserve that!

As well as kittylester's post!

It's done, no bewailing, gnashing of teeth, clutching of pearls will change that and we have to move on, not dwell in the past.
Nor any breastbeating!

Often events don't go the way we hope they will, both in our own lives and for countries too. We have to pick ourselves up, start again, perhaps in another direction, and work towards a positive outcome.

It had been giving up for some time Callistemon. I had nursed it carefully and, following the tradition set by some of our more senior politicians of blaming someone who is held in some esteem and didnt really have anything to do with it, I blame Microsoft for it's final demise

I killed one a while ago, DaisyAnneReturns and it was a mere youngster, luckily still under guarantee. However, I lost a lot of files and photos.

Ah well, I now have to make a further confession. As the old computer clicked its last, I trotted off and bought a new one. This had a computer equivalent of a breakdown soon after I got it up and running. I took it back. The nice people exchanged it. Guilt made me decide to book in to have the setup done by the tech people. This one also had a breakdown, but this time someone else's hand was on the tiĺler. They suggested it was a bad batch (I'm still blaming Microsoft). So I ended up with an Android tablet. I am currently getting back to doing the things I could do previously but being very careful not to let MS in - oh, and I am logging my passwords elsewhere

It's always worth checking rather than guessing. In a recent poll (May 2023) 55% thout wexwere wrong to leave, with 33% thinking it was the right decision.

Poppyred

Dinahmo

Poppyred

You always cause trouble Fleurpepper no matter what you call yourself, and then pretend to be innocent. How many times have you been banned from this site?

Come on, don’t be shy, tell us?

Millions of people Do Not Agree with your views…….get over it!

U think you'll find that the majority are now opposed to Brexit.

Don’t think so …….

Don’t think so …….

The most recent poll suggests otherwise. You can check it out yourself.

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.

The May 2023 figures come from IPSOS. Just before the Brexit vote, this was on their website:

From our figures, the probability of Britain voting to Remain in the European Union is 74%, using the model developed by Number Cruncher Politics. This means there is still a one in four chance of Brexit.

Maggiemaybe

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.

Yes, 2016 defied the polls.

But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.

Spring 2021, there was an upsurge - maybe connected to the vaccine roll-out which saw support for the government increase. Understandably.

But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.

Well of course it is! Any poll will provide accurate statistics 5 years after the event and with the benefit of 20/20 vision! What a pity your polls weren't a little more accurate in 2016. As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

CheersMeDears

^But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.^

Well of course it is! Any poll will provide accurate statistics 5 years after the event and with the benefit of 20/20 vision! What a pity your polls weren't a little more accurate in 2016. As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

Do you think it was just complacency brought on by the polls? - I believe there are simply lazy people who just couldn't be bothered.

Maybe they should look at compulsory voting like we have here. I have never really liked it but sometimes it seems necessary. I know why they do it here- we would be open to dictators otherwise because the vast majority wouldn’t bother and we all know it !

Dinahmo

Perhaps someone/anyone could kindly explain why they come on a thread like this and then moan about it? I often look at some of the other threads, think that the subject is of no interest to me and so I pass on. I don't bother to read them and nor do I look and ask why the OP is bothering.

Teddies Dinahmo tesddies.
Am I going to have to keep repeating it after all.

If an effective title warning was used, it may be better,
See, am I going to have to keep repeating myself too.

Did you know, a German Teddy Bear making company, a bit like Steiff, brought out a Brexit bear?

There was a Brexit cocktail. It was horrible and looked like sick. Sums it up.

My comment wasn't random. I should have quoted fancythat.

Well we could keep on having polls and referendums in the hope that everyone would turn out. Bad losers.

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

Callistemon
it must have been so embarrassing, Fleurpepper, sitting amongst such rude people and having to admit you are British
😢

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

So, if you’d had a holiday property abroad you would have still voted leave and you would have sold the property ( probably at a loss because of the circumstances)?

Maggiemaybe

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.

Either believing all polls are right or all polls are wrong is a very simplistic view. One usually held buy those who, "as we all know" think their guesses are invariably right.

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

How do you know that people who comment on a social media site don't "get on with things"? Just because they have an opinion that doesn't chime with yours doesn't mean that they don't have a life to lead. In between commenting on here, I'm doing all kinds of other stuff that constitute getting-on-with-things, and having periods of fun, and relaxation. I doubt I'm unique in this.

Why does it even bother you if people want to talk about the issue of our leaving the EU? Seriously - why? You're not forced to participate in a discussion that irritates you and, frankly, if you join in the debate to add your view, then you're no different to those that you are criticising.

You may not be affected by Brexit and, as you say, you can't see the benefits of being part of the EU - fair enough, but why the damning of those whose experience is different to yours?

If the conversation becomes too boring or repetitive for your taste, then why not just opt out of it?

The conundrum for me is that you and others accuse those who are critical of Brexit of "moaning" and "whingeing" and yet it's the result of the very same moaning and whingeing that's been taking place since 1975 from Euro-sceptics that led us out of the EU! Because that's how it works, the process is a continuum... politics didn't end with the Referendum result in '75 did it, so why should 2016 be set in stone for all time?

My German family did make comments initially. Not any more. They're in a worse position than us, with far more costly food than ours.
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