Unfolding news, attack in Nottingham

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

There's an awful lot of people with MH problems - I suspect most just struggle along trying to get through each day. And get little support.

But anyone (not referencing this particular individual) with a history of violence towards others - someone who has attacked other people - should not IMO be free to roam around. The general public really do deserve protection from those who can't control their violent tendencies. "Inclusiveness" can only be tolerated when the public are not at risk of being randomly murdered. Those with a pathological abnormality need to be in a secure institution.

It happens too frequently.

Better mental health facilities across the world might help. Surely the families of these deranged people know there is a problem. There is nowhere to turn to for help when someone with mental health problems starts to become ill, only when they have actually committed a crime or physically tried to harm themselves. I know this firsthand on Australia and it seems it is pretty much a worldwide issue.

It's about time the thorough checking of a persons right to claim asylum were tightened up. Most now are economic migrants.
To call someone half a brain is vile. Personal comments such as that show true colours I'm afraid. People are entitled to their views, you can choose to disagree without resorting to insults.
I feel do much for those families who have lost loved ones in Nottingham. There used to be secure units in every town for the treatment of mental illness, now they are on the streets, if they remember to take it, many if those people are lonely as have no family support. Mental illness is still taboo because in reality we can't deal or are equipped to deal with it. It's alright these stars talking about their issues, but serious mental illness and paranoia should be treated under supervision.

Such a dreadful thing; three innocent people deliberately slaughtered in cold blood, three more seriously injured.

NotSpaghetti I know someone who works in the hotel. I live about 7 miles from it. What do you know yourself about it?

HowVeryDareYou2

NotSpaghetti I know someone who works in the hotel. I live about 7 miles from it. What do you know yourself about it?

Why is it relevant? Apparently the man had lived in the UK for over 10 years and had settled status, so I doubt if he was living in a hotel for legal asylum seekers.

growstuff I was merely answering the question from NotSpaghetti. Thanks for your contribution.

HowVeryDareYou2

growstuff I was merely answering the question from NotSpaghetti. Thanks for your contribution.

I was wondering why you mentioned it in the first place.

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

But the press scream “migrant “.
The situation is horrendous enough without our press inciting racial hatred!!!!

YorkLady

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

But the press scream “migrant “.
The situation is horrendous enough without our press inciting racial hatred!!!!

Inciting racial hatred is happening on Gransnet, not just in the media. He must have been in the UK for at least 12 years. Mental health problems are common, the resources and staff to manage people suffering in the community are woefully inadequate, and this attack could just as easily have been perpetrated by anybody.

Quite, Casdon. I agree with you there. The anger should be directed at the lack of service in the different communities because I am 100 % sure this individual would have displayed some sort of issue before he went out and committed this dreadful crime.

YorkLady

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

But the press scream “migrant “.
The situation is horrendous enough without our press inciting racial hatred!!!!

Well he is. He wasn't born here, was he.

Freya5

YorkLady

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

But the press scream “migrant “.
The situation is horrendous enough without our press inciting racial hatred!!!!

Well he is. He wasn't born here, was he.

The woke press also showed a white arm with a handcuff on, as speaking of suspect. Let us have the truth please.

I don’t know why a poster mentioned the older victim owned a hotel that housed migrants but I find it odd he hasn’t been named. I also find it strange that the attacker was able to get from Ilkeston Road to Magdala Road without being stopped by the police. After the murder of those young people an eye witness states he strolled up Ilkeston Road and it would have taken him approximately 30 minutes to reach Magdala Road where he then murdered the older victim and stole the van. Unless he caught a taxi I cannot understand how the police didn’t pick him up en route.

tickingbird
How many police would you expect to see at 4am in the morning?

Casdon

YorkLady

NotSpaghetti

THIS is the latest info:

The 31-year-old West African national has been living legally in the UK since he was a teenager he has struggled with mental health problems and this is what the police say they are looking at now.

But the press scream “migrant “.
The situation is horrendous enough without our press inciting racial hatred!!!!

Inciting racial hatred is happening on Gransnet, not just in the media. He must have been in the UK for at least 12 years. Mental health problems are common, the resources and staff to manage people suffering in the community are woefully inadequate, and this attack could just as easily have been perpetrated by anybody.

Stirring up racial hatred is not going to help the devastated families of those who've lost a loved one, either.

It would be better to demand that the government - this one or the next, or whichever, deals with the issues surrounding the woeful lack of support and facilities for all with mental health problems - a system which clearly isn't fit for purpose when it allows those with a pathological illness to roam around with no-one making sure they take their medication if it's needed and no-one supervising their activities. Some MH sufferers need to be in a supervised environment.

My late mother - a retired SRN - had to deal with a man suffering from paranoia in the block of flats where she lived. He regularly had bouts of alarming behaviour which terrified the other residents. As an ex SRN (who had also worked in mental health clinics) she liaised with his doctor who could do little except prescribe medication which the man refused to take... so the responsibility fell on her - at age 80! This man even attacked her on a couple of occasions when she tried to pacify him - something she was forced to do because the other residents relied on her to deal with him. An utterly ridiculous and unacceptable state of affairs.

Care and facilities for people with mental health problems are woefully lacking in UK. My daughter a mental health community nurse is at breaking point trying to get support for suicidal patients.

HowVeryDareYou2

NotSpaghetti I know someone who works in the hotel. I live about 7 miles from it. What do you know yourself about it?

I know that amongst asylum seekers there will always be genuine cases.
I am not objecting to the knowledge of how any hotel is used - I am thoroughly dismayed that some people lump individuals into one illegal whole.

You did that.

MerylStreep

tickingbird
How many police would you expect to see at 4am in the morning?

After witnessing the attack on the students the person dialled 999 and the police were there within 10 minutes, therefore I would expect lots of police to be around!

NotSpaghetti I merely mentioned that the people in THAT PARTICULAR hotel are illegal immigrants because I know someone who works there, and that person told me. That's all. End of comments.

Could you kindly give us a description of an 'illegal immigrant'?, please.

sodapop

Care and facilities for people with mental health problems are woefully lacking in UK. My daughter a mental health community nurse is at breaking point trying to get support for suicidal patients.

I imagine the stress of such a job leads to staff just throwing in the towel and changing course - there's only so much pressure you can bear, under such highly-charged situations.

The idea of 'Community Care' was in principle a good one - the de-institutionalisation of care for those with mental health problems and disabilities. Unfortunately the fact it was also more cost-effective became (IMO) the main driver of the programme, especially under the Thatcher government.

In the 80s, those who'd previously been in long-term institutional care were not infrequently pitchforked back into the community and mostly left to fend for themselves. How was that ever going to work?

Things like Community Care and Asylum processing - and even the processing of disabled and sick individuals for Disability Benefits - cannot be done properly on the cheap - people will simply fall through the cracks, and for some the consequences will be dire, even fatal.

But as long as any government is focused on the ideology of "small-state", continually cutting back on public spending, then nothing will change. It will just get worse with each swathe of cuts - made in the name of Austerity.

I sympathise with your daughter - I really don't know how she copes faced with the insurmountable problems each and every day... with no prospect of improvement on the horizon.

The man killed whose van was stolen has been identified as a school caretaker named Ian Coates.

The man arrested and being interviewed by police is 31, a legal migrant from North Africa , a small-time drugs dealer with apparent mental health problems, known to police who visited him regularly.

Thank you Dickens sadly my highly trained, experienced daughter is now actively looking for jobs outside of health care. Often she is working until 8pm trying to secure help for her patients and completing relentless paperwork. To say nothing of mentoring new staff etc. She then goes home and worries about what is happening to the people she can't get ongoing care for. No wonder people are slipping through the net.

MH care and support has been sadly lacking for a long time. It should be high priority for any future government.