Unfolding news, attack in Nottingham

We’ll probably have to wait until the trial to hear all the facts. I don’t suppose they’ll tell us if he was a graduate of Nottingham University though. It’s possible if that’s true that he simply overstayed his visa and then after a while got settled status, but that’s my own speculation.
Anyway he’s a vile individual and I feel intense anger towards him (and I’m not a violent person.)

just read these posts back and see all the speculation and misinformation posted I cannot see why people would post without knowing the facts, it’s wrong. Just saying I heard it somewhere but can’t remember or someone told me but don’t remember who is just making trouble.

I can’t see any posts like that. I only post what’s released on the news. Which posts are you referring to which are making trouble Allsorts?

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

growstuff

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I was puzzling over this, too.

maddyone

We’ll probably have to wait until the trial to hear all the facts. I don’t suppose they’ll tell us if he was a graduate of Nottingham University though. It’s possible if that’s true that he simply overstayed his visa and then after a while got settled status, but that’s my own speculation.
Anyway he’s a vile individual and I feel intense anger towards him (and I’m not a violent person.)

He graduated from Nottingham in 2022.

Why can’t people use the quote facility or italics
It would save confusion.

Dickens

growstuff

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I was puzzling over this, too.

I think Martin is advising Gransnetters not to use street skunk.

It seems he came to the UK as a teenager with his family and grew up in Wales. The family gave been described by people who knew them as very nice, hardworking, with children who did well at school. A normal family, in the UK perfectly legally and contributing to society.

As others have said, the suspect graduated (possibly with a masters degree) in mechanical engineering from the university of Nottingham in 2022. A former student who knew him and shared accommodation with him in 2020 said he had struggled with his mental health and complained of hearing and seeing things that were not there.

If all this is true it seems an even bigger tragedy than it already is - it could be that not only innocent people have lost their lives and suffered awful injuries, but this may also be a young man who has had a major mental health crisis and done terrible things that he would never have done when he was well.

It is a tragic and terrible situation but we would all do well to not speculate further or to judge at this point. And to remember the words of Barnaby Webber’s mother who asked us not to level hate at anyone on the grounds of colour, religion or gender.

My son lives within spitting distance of where the students were killed. He has lived in the area since he too was a student at the same university and loves it there. It is a diverse, vibrant area with many problems but also many of our best and brightest young people. We have to hope we can move forward with hope and positivity and as the students’ families have urged, a determination to care for and look out for others, to try to keep each other safe, and to look out for those suffering mental health breakdown with so little support.

Good post nightowl.

Thank you Greenfinch.

Thanks Growstuff for the information about this person’s graduation. I did only say it’s possible. I didn’t say that it had definitely happened. Anyway assuming what you say is true, and I’m not disputing it, then it would appear he didn’t overstay on his visa. The problem is that there is much speculation and nobody really knows much about him. Nonetheless if he only graduated in 2022, he mustn’t have gone to university until quite late. Nor has his university education done very much to help him move forward in a respectful and law abiding way.

It is true. Here's a link to the graduation list:

www.nottingham.ac.uk/studentservices/documents/graduation-programme-summer-class-of-2022.pdf

Page 78 Mechanical Engineering

Great post nightowl.

The university has also said he was an ex-student by the way.

If he was known to have severe mental health problems why, why wasn something done about it ? Possibly because the parliament is too distracted talking about people like Boris Johnson to bother trying to solve real issues.

If this man had mental health problems advice and help is available at universities, usually more instant and accessible than in general practices. But it has to be accepted and as students are distanced physically from their families there is not the compulsion to take action that would be if their families were aware.
Your comment about parliament was distasteful and irrelevant, Nanna8.

nanna8
You ask why wasn’t something done
Because the services that once existed to monitor/ help people with serious mental health are no longer there.
Once upon a time in my area we had mental health community nurses who would go every day to check that they were taking their medication.

We have one such neighbour with bi-polar who stops his medication. In 2021 he was sectioned twice. In one incident the police and the coastguard was involved. Then the stay in hospital. Where were the savings.
I knew a mental health nurse who did the job I mentioned above. They weren’t on a high wage.
I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

MerylStreep

nanna8
You ask why wasn’t something done
Because the services that once existed to monitor/ help people with serious mental health are no longer there.
Once upon a time in my area we had mental health community nurses who would go every day to check that they were taking their medication.

We have one such neighbour with bi-polar who stops his medication. In 2021 he was sectioned twice. In one incident the police and the coastguard was involved. Then the stay in hospital. Where were the savings.
I knew a mental health nurse who did the job I mentioned above. They weren’t on a high wage.
I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

When we eventually find out - that the 'savings' worked in theory but not in practice - those that championed the idea will be long gone to 'pastures new'.

Care in the Community was never going to work unless it was properly structured and funded. And Austerity just compounded the problems with an already disintegrating system of care.

I think the priorities are just not there in the UK. . Doesn’t surprise me, it was one of the reasons we chose not to live there. When we left it was a most unpleasant Tory government.

nanna8

I think the priorities are just not there in the UK. . Doesn’t surprise me, it was one of the reasons we chose not to live there. When we left it was a most unpleasant Tory government.

Where do you live nanna8?

We moved to Norway in '95 but returned to the UK in 2007 when we reached retirement age because my OH - though a Scandinavian (from Sweden) is also an Anglophile and wanted to return "home".

The health and social services in Norway are fairly good and partly funded by monies from their oil wealth fund. But not everyone is happy with the privatisation of these services, and the rosy picture often painted about both Norway and Sweden is not as 'pretty' as it's sometimes made out to be. The care for the elderly often falls short, for example. However, the emergency services function well - you will not be left lying on the floor for hours on end if you're elderly and have had a fall! Or, at least, that was the situation when we left.

eazybee

If this man had mental health problems advice and help is available at universities, usually more instant and accessible than in general practices. But it has to be accepted and as students are distanced physically from their families there is not the compulsion to take action that would be if their families were aware.
Your comment about parliament was distasteful and irrelevant, Nanna8.

Universities do indeed have support services, but it's not always easy for people to admit to themselves that they have serious problems, especially as there is still stigma attached.

One of the girls whose house was raided said that he had started talking about hearing voices, which would suggest that he was developing schizophrenia. It's not known whether he even asked for help.

If he was a drug taker, as has been suggested, the drugs may well have caused his mental health problems.
I make no excuses for him anyway, I think he is a vile individual.

I'm not speculating and I'm not making excuses either. I was merely commenting on access to mental health services in universities, of which I have some knowledge.

Valdo Calocane has been charged with three counts of murder

Being reported by BBC and Sky news

Good. I hope there are no pleas for leniency because of his mental health issues.