Where is the money coming from?

To enable Ukraine to win this war we are going to need to give a great deal more because the arms committed is far are below what is needed.

The war stayed far from the shores of the USA mainly because it had several thousand miles of ocean between each side of it, and decreasing that so that the country was in bomber range was even beyond their capabilities.

But they were heavily involved in the war in Asia, remember Pearl Harbour and you only have to visit the American war cemeteries in Normandy to realise how many young Americans died to free Europe from the genocidal Nazis.

M0nica

The war stayed far from the shores of the USA mainly because it had several thousand miles of ocean between each side of it, and decreasing that so that the country was in bomber range was even beyond their capabilities.

But they were heavily involved in the war in Asia, remember Pearl Harbour and you only have to visit the American war cemeteries in Normandy to realise how many young Americans died to free Europe from the genocidal Nazis.

The American routing was Florida, South America, Northern Africa, to the UK. I believe America also flew their bombers in over Canada, Newfoundland, Iceland and on into UK. Bombers were within range.

Yes, they were involved in Pearl Harbour, their fleet was bombed to oblivion as Japanese moved forward toward America. They stopped isolationism, fought until they dropped the bomb in 1945.

Yes, they finally sent troops, many buried in Normandy or Cambridge.

They're isolationists, who didn't want to fight on their land.

karmalady

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

well said Monica

I agree.

Ich komme auch aus Berlin

I think it doubtful, sad as it is, that Ukraine can win against Russia and regain the territorial integrity it had including Crimea, given the imbalance of resources. This may be an unpopular opinion but it does raise the question of what next if outright victory is impossible.

Grantanow my thoughts exactly.

Do you think that if Ukraine falls …the Russians will stop there …. Remember ‘breathing space’!? Ukraine is doing our dirty work at the moment ….at least we can give them some help!

Saggi Ukraine used to be Russian. We can’t sort this out. We need to start worrying about this country and the poor state of our defences.

If we weren’t spending it on Ukraine it wouldn’t be sown n our homeless, NHS, schools or giving any public sector workers, in any areas of work, inflation linked pay increases. The reason teachers will strike again in July is because although the unions did agree “a deal” with the govt, the govt refused to find it and schools cannot afford it. Conservatives rightly or wrongly don’t invest heaving in the public sector

*sorry spent not sown !! Should check my auto correct before posting or use preview !

Doesn’t matter how much we give to Ukraine, it’s not in our gift to solve the problems there.

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

I agree and feel that the money both the UK, the USA and EU, plus contributions made by the various countries in EU and voted by their own governments are necessary and important.

As to corruption in Ukraine - stringent measures are being taken to eradicate it, as this is necessary if Ukraine is ever to join EU and necessary right now to ensure that the military budget is used to fight the war and does not line officials' pockets.

It seems to have escaped your notice that Mr Zelinsky comes down like a ton of bricks on those trying to fiddle expenses etc. whether or not they are his old school pals or the like.

Obviously, if you do not agree that Russia has to be stopped NOW you will feel that Britain could use that kind of money at home. But doing so, might just mean that when the wolf is at your door, no-one will be willing or able to help you.

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

Exactly this. If Ukraine loses, Russia and China become direct threats to us.

the old adage, howcan the government find the money to hurt people more than they do to help people.......

Germanshepherdsmum

M0nica

it is the same thing. Ukraine has suffered immense damage to its infrastructure and will need help rebuilding itself to become a strong and prosperous country again. It is a bit like all the aid that came from the United States to Europe after WW2 because they knew that if Europe was to provide a strong bulwark against communism and Russia, it had to be politcally and economically strong

We had to repay what we received under Marshal Aid. We honoured that debt. The final instalment was paid under Margaret Thatcher’s government. It wasn’t a gift, as our payments to Ukraine in cash and kind, seem to be.

You're confusing the Marshall Plan with the earlier Anglo-American Loan Agreement and Lend-lease. Marshall Plan support was never repaid.

I don’t understand- Russia and China already seem lined up as hostile countries. The wolf is already at our door - we have invited Russia to target us on the very meagre justification that we have supplied weapons to Ukraine.
I believe that we cannot solve this crisis as it’s essentially one of nationalism and identity.

ronib

I don’t understand- Russia and China already seem lined up as hostile countries. The wolf is already at our door - we have invited Russia to target us on the very meagre justification that we have supplied weapons to Ukraine.
I believe that we cannot solve this crisis as it’s essentially one of nationalism and identity.

The wolves might very well be at our door, but I for one am unwilling to open said door and invite them in.

GG13 if only life were that simple.

ronib

GG13 if only life were that simple.

I would not be happy for English Forces boots on the ground

Don’t forget that JCHQ (despite Brexit) is still in the U.K. with top Forces Personnel from throughout the world swooping intelligence and collaborating on an hourly/daily basis.

swopping not swooping

GG13 don’t think we have any spare boots to offer? Agree with you otherwise.

VioletSky

Divided by every person in the country it's less than £40 each

I'm happy to donate that

Totally agree

I'm not happy about it. It's just perpetuating the war and more people are dying needlessly. All wars end with peace talks so why can't this be persued now rather than later when more death and destruction has been wreaked upon both Ukrainians and Russians?

ronib

Saggi Ukraine used to be Russian. We can’t sort this out. We need to start worrying about this country and the poor state of our defences.

Used to be Russian? Or used to be part of the USSR? Not the same thing.

Thanks growstuff, of course it was Lend Lease. Can I plead the heat?!🙃