Gender neutral toilets in todays news!

You were told it was best to laugh Lathyrus . A very unpleasant and unsettling experience and I'm not surprised you were terrified .

I never go in a gender neutral toilet. As we visit many of the same places during the week I am aware of where ladies' loos are situated. I would rather hold on than use some of the toilets near us, often the ones near the beach. Otherwise out in the countryside I occasionally happily go behind a bush as I did when I was young. I judge places by their loos -that's why I enjoy visiting NT properties as everything is so clean.

Smileless2012

I wouldn't have a problem with that arrangement Glorianny as from what you describe, the men's and women's toilets are separated by a communal hand washing area, with one door giving access to the men's toilets (on one side?) and one door giving access to the women's (on the other side?).

Yes aircraft toilets are gender neutral only allowing one person access at a time nanna.

Doors to both toilet areas usually propped open. So you could see clearly into each section. That's how I know the men's were cubicles. Ladies when busy usually queuing into the hand washing area. Some on GN think a separate hand washing area is necessary for girls and women.

Shared facilities are quite common in France.

Female toilets at motorway services in the UK often have large areas for handwashing in the middle, with toilet cubicles around the sides.
In one of those was the first time I saw a TW strutting his stuff. Clearly bearded (nothing to do with PCOS) and finding it funny to joke loudly “Oops, I forgot to fasten my jeans.”
Some on GN think a separate hand washing area isn’t necessary for girls and females.
The events in the OP provide different evidence.

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I wouldn't have a problem with that arrangement Glorianny as from what you describe, the men's and women's toilets are separated by a communal hand washing area, with one door giving access to the men's toilets (on one side?) and one door giving access to the women's (on the other side?).

Yes aircraft toilets are gender neutral only allowing one person access at a time nanna.

Doors to both toilet areas usually propped open. So you could see clearly into each section. That's how I know the men's were cubicles. Ladies when busy usually queuing into the hand washing area. Some on GN think a separate hand washing area is necessary for girls and women.

Hand washing in communal areas open to view to everyone. No problem.

Hand washing in an enclosed area, where nobody can see abuse taking place on a lone female. Definitely necessary. Wouldn’t you agree.

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

Lathyrus

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

But why would they have "to identify as women"? On the train the other week, man coming out of toilet still fastening his trousers. Didn't think he was exposing himself. Just thought he was a prat (and probably hadn't washed his hands!)

MrsNemo and others... the cat story is a total fake - though Suella Braverman fell for it!

Our local leisure centre has mixed changing rooms and mixed toilets but they are ALL lockable cubicles. It works well. They still have issues with a few men wanting to perv out on kiddie swimming lessons though

No.. not her!
Sorry.
It was Kemi Badenoch.

Still feel a bit "hmm" about it.

Glorianny

Lathyrus

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

But why would they have "to identify as women"? On the train the other week, man coming out of toilet still fastening his trousers. Didn't think he was exposing himself. Just thought he was a prat (and probably hadn't washed his hands!)

Of course a male could expose himself in any situation but there are laws again that.

However a male only has to say “I am a woman” and hey presto the law no longer applies.

90% of complaints of assault and voyeurism occur in mixed sex facilities. Almost all of those were male to female. Isn’t that enough of a statistic to make you think females need their own spaces?

NotSpaghetti

MrsNemo and others... the cat story is a total fake - though Suella Braverman fell for it!

The transcript of the conversation clearly shows that the girls were told - by a teacher - that believing that another pupil is not a cat but a girl is 'despicable', and that they are not welcome in the school with that attitude, so whether or not they were speaking hypothetically is irrelevant, really.

So - not a 'total fake' at all, but a possible misunderstanding, as it is not clear whether the catchild in question is real or hypothetical. The Head denies that anyone actually 'presents as' a cat in class, but saying that is in the interests of the school (and potentially of the catchild), isn't it? The fact remains that the school's ethos is one where speaking the evidence of one's eyes (ie saying that a child is not a cat) is to attract censure, which is the point - we have definitely fallen through the looking glass.

I hope the misguided teacher who called the pupil ‘despicable’ is now looking for a new job.

We are living in an alternative universe and I want to get back home to sanity.

Glorianny
But why would they have "to identify as women”?
So they can go into female toilets, why else?

The cat thing was from a discussion, yes, but have you listened to it?
The whole "identification as a cat" was taken totally out of contex.

It was even linked to the litter trays in some classrooms in America.

I will see if I can find it.

www.tiktok.com/@commonlycensored/video/7246038839947529499

This is it.

The litter tray thing is not discussed here BTW.
Thought I'd clarify!

I agree that hand washing facilities that are open to view by everyone aren't a problem Lathyrus.

Men can and do expose themselves whether they're identifying as women or not but it's not rocket science to be able to work out that an intact male, identifying as a woman and accessing women's safe spaces is going to find it much easier to do so.

I agree the irrelevance if the teacher was speaking hypothetically Doodledog. If that was the case, it does make one wonder why the teacher chose that particular example; not something I'm sure the majority of teachers would have done.

What is not in dispute however, is the fact that the teacher told the student that her point of view was despicable and she could look for another school.

NotSpaghetti

MrsNemo and others... the cat story is a total fake - though Suella Braverman fell for it!

It's not a fake at all .

Have you listened to it?

Here's some info about the cat litter thing and how it spread - just in case anyone wants to know.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna51439

I found the worry that you may need "go buckets" in a classroom incredibly sad.
So lucky to live in a country where we don't (yet) need to take mass shootings so very seriously.

Yes Louella12 I don't usually post things I've not seen. I put the link up above.

NotSpaghetti

Here's some info about the cat litter thing and how it spread - just in case anyone wants to know.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna51439

I found the worry that you may need "go buckets" in a classroom incredibly sad.
So lucky to live in a country where we don't (yet) need to take mass shootings so very seriously.

I think there are cross purposes here. Your link refers to the US, whereas the incident where the child is called ‘despicable’ for refusing to say that a girl who identifies as a cat is not actually a cat happened in the UK. That is the one that has been called into question by the trans lobby, despite the fact that the ‘despicable’ child recorded the conversation and it is clear that she was told that neither her views nor the evidence of her eyes are acceptable and that she should go to another school.

I’m familiar with gender neutral toilets in some other European countries. Don’t like them.
About twenty years ago, The office I worked in introduced gender neutral toilets . It took about 3 weeks for the women to say enough. Let’s revert to separate toilets. We don’t want to paddle in urine or face awful smells and we want privacy. The managers accepted this.
Dread to think what would happen now