Transgender-paedophi le-66-spared-jail-ca se-delayed. don't know where to send .

Sorry BeverleyJB I misunderstood you.

But how do you know that what you did mean is true, as all men in women's prisons will be recorded as females?

Just as there has been at least one rape, in a women's ward, where the hospital said it couldn't have happened because there were no males there?

Hi FarNorth
From the research I have done, I understand that the males currently accommodated in women's prisons in the UK (perhaps more accurately England & Wales) are segregated from the female population.
I also understand that the reason they’re in women's prisons is because risk assessments are undertaken which have concluded that it would be too dangerous or too difficult for such men to be accommodated in men's prison. Clearly the risk assessments don't take into account (or not properly at any rate) the danger to the women.
It should be noted that the vast majority of these men have their male genitalia intact and most likely do not “pass” as female. Also, many of them only “discovered” they were really female at the point of arrest - Arrest Onset Gender Dysphoria if you will, which miraculously wears off the moment they're released from prison . I would be extremely surprised if any male has managed to secrete himself within the female prison population by deception. If it has happened, then it's a major safeguarding failure.

The hospital case to which you refer was very different because the nursing staff knew that the rapist was male but had accommodated him on the basis of a protocol in place which means that a man's wishes (or delusions) trump the safety and dignity of women. The continued denial that the rapist patient was male is truly shocking and all the nurses involved, particularly the female ones, should be thoroughly ashamed.

The law is crazy

FarNorth

Sorry BeverleyJB I misunderstood you.

But how do you know that what you did mean is true, as all men in women's prisons will be recorded as females?

Just as there has been at least one rape, in a women's ward, where the hospital said it couldn't have happened because there were no males there?

Or accommodation of a male in a mental health female ward with traumatised women, some trauma caused by males, where he made it obvious, he was male, but staff couldn’t remove him for fear of being called homophobic

Theexwife

I think he should go to a female prison and let the inmates punish him.

No. A male prison. And ditto.

MerylStreep

Has anyone else seen the new word put forward for our vaginas?
Bonus Hole. I’m not joking.

uk.news.yahoo.com/why-bonus-hole-going-viral-155830242.html

I'm trying to work out why the word vagina would be upsetting within the trans community. A Trans woman would either not have one or if they had surgery would have a coñstructed one which presumably they want.

A trans man will either have one or if they have had surgery will have a constructed penis. And if they haven't had surgery and so still have a vagina why would they see that as a "bonus"?

I just cant work out the logic of the "new name" frankly regardless of the renaming per se!!

Madgran77, it’s possibly a bit of virtue signalling by TW who have gone the whole way to transitioning.
I don’t know why they’d want to do that if the whole purpose is to pass as a woman.

Madgran77

MerylStreep

Has anyone else seen the new word put forward for our vaginas?
Bonus Hole. I’m not joking.

uk.news.yahoo.com/why-bonus-hole-going-viral-155830242.html

I'm trying to work out why the word vagina would be upsetting within the trans community. A Trans woman would either not have one or if they had surgery would have a coñstructed one which presumably they want.

A trans man will either have one or if they have had surgery will have a constructed penis. And if they haven't had surgery and so still have a vagina why would they see that as a "bonus"?

I just cant work out the logic of the "new name" frankly regardless of the renaming per se!!

I just cant work out the logic of the "new name" frankly regardless of the renaming per se!!

There is no logic.

It's an attempt by the more strident activists to debase women by using crude terminology. It is misogyny.

I would be extremely surprised if any male has managed to secrete himself within the female prison population by deception.

I didn't mean by deception but simply by prison authorities calling men female.
I hope you are right about England and Wales.

I'm in Scotland and when my MSP enquired, some time ago, about any problems with transwomen being housed with women, the reply was that no separate record is kept as all are classified as female.
I'll be very surprised if that has changed.

I'm trying to work out why the word vagina would be upsetting within the trans community. A Trans woman would either not have one or if they had surgery would have a coñstructed one which presumably they want.

A trans man will either have one or if they have had surgery will have a constructed penis. And if they haven't had surgery and so still have a vagina why would they see that as a "bonus"?

I just cant work out the logic of the "new name" frankly regardless of the renaming per se!!

Transwomen want the word 'vagina' for themselves and for expressions such as 'front hole' to be used for women's vaginas.

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.

Sorry that's quite crude but that's how it is.

If the word vagina is "upsetting" to the trans community - then they need psychiatric help.

Trans men might not like the fact that they have one - but that is their problem, not ours.

Trans women may have one constructed. In which case, presumably, the word vagina will have been used at some point during their medical appointments.

The trans community know what a vagina is.

Referring to women's genitalia as a "hole" is typical male misogyny. A way of dehumanising women to make them less threatening to male insecurity.

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men

Oh ok! Well they can do that if the like but I dont see why it has to be used as standard in conversation with Trans men. What about trans men who want a relationship with a woman?

Honestly it just seems an unnecessary complication of the facts of a situation. ie some trans men still have a vagina and some don't. They can inform anyone they are talking to what they like it called if that is what they wish to do. I could understand better if the advice had been that staff ask a trans nan what they would like their body parts called if that was relevant to the specifics of a discussion.

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.
Transmen are female. Any sexual relationship with a male would be heterosexual-so why bother wanting to be a transman.
Implying that gay men want intercourse with a female who says she’s a man is like saying lesbians should be obliged to accept TW as sexual partners.

Mollygo

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.
Transmen are female. Any sexual relationship with a male would be heterosexual-so why bother wanting to be a transman.
Implying that gay men want intercourse with a female who says she’s a man is like saying lesbians should be obliged to accept TW as sexual partners.

I think non-binary are also included in the group for whom this substitute word has been 'developed', though. And gays and lesbians are not always exclusively gay, they can also be non-binary.

But I'm sure they are all aware of what a vagina is and won't be confused or "offended" if a medical professional inadvertently uses the correct terminology for a body part that some now want to refer to as a "hole"... of some kind or other.

Mollygo

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.
Transmen are female. Any sexual relationship with a male would be heterosexual-so why bother wanting to be a transman.
Implying that gay men want intercourse with a female who says she’s a man is like saying lesbians should be obliged to accept TW as sexual partners.

Of course. But that's what's going on anyway.
I'm sure the creation of confusion is deliberate and it's working well, since people who claim to be trans are being pandered to everywhere by people who should know better but who seem to have lost their grip on reality.

Slightly off topic but I’m so happy for this woman who gave the 🖕to Stonewall and won her case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279791/Gender-critical-barrister-Allison-Bailey-wins-substantial-damages-chambers.html

MerylStreep
Hear hear!

Absolutely!!

Daily Mail report today that Sarah Jane Baker, a trans activist, spoke at the Pride March in London yesterday. She advised people to ‘punch them in the face’ if they saw a Terf. Baker was released from prison in 2019 after serving 30 years for attempted murder.
These aggressive trans women alienate people from the cause they claim to support.

, Clive Lewis, Labour mp “advocating violence against others is wrong… but as you’ll be aware violent language and actions are not unique to one side on this issue’. He doesn’t seem to understand that male violence to women and girls from men isn’t a ‘both sides’ issue.
I’ve never heard of feminists threatening to rape trans women to death but friends of mine attending a women’s conference had those threats from trans women activits

Maybe I should have started a new thread on Sarah Jane

Baker is featuring in the 'bonus hole' thread too.
Here's video of what he said -

youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64

It's completely disgusting of Clive Lewis MP to suggest that it's an equal exchange of threats.
We repeatedly see headlines of outrage about 'misgendering'.
If there were actual threats of violence from GC people towards trans people, you can be sure it would be endlessly publicised.

Sounds about right from a male POV.
Mansplained away, that means they’re saying
You referring to me by the pronoun which reflects my *sex entitles me and my supporters to inflict physical violence on you.*

Sarah-Jane does that individual imagine giving themselves two feminine names it will make them twice as girly, as Susie Eddie Izzard is prone to coo when they morph into that mode It does somewhat put the kibosh on the girly image, the moniker Sarah-Jane conjures up by threatening to punch TERF's lights out in an almost, eh rather blokey Grant and Phil Mitchell sort of way. Somehow it also slightly belies the message of inclusiveness! and Be Kind and all the other disingenuous bollocks that the public are being fed on how we are expected to embrace all of this brave new world these days! "RINGO WHERE ARE YOU? there's an urgent need of Peace and Love required by a section of the trans women fraternity, ooops! maybe that should be the trans women sorority (the non cis version of course!)

The law and justice are often two very different things - as is demonstrated here.

😢I received a really nasty tweet for using the phrase women of either sex.
Evidently that implies that some women are not female.