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lemsip Thu 06-Jul-23 09:28:49

Transgender paedophile, 66, is spared jail after the case was delayed over discussions about whether the pervert should go to a male or female jail.Former prison worker Tanya Howes, 66, was told by magistrates that the offences 'would normally attract immediate custody' but they made the 'unusual' decision to suspend her 12-month jail term after the debate caused a 'time lag'.

Howes, who is identified in court documents as female and referred to in court by female pronouns, previously admitted three charges of possessing www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12269001/Transgender-paedophile-66-spared-jail-case-delayed.html#comments images of children, including 39 of the most serious category A photographs, on February 19 2020.

photos.

Galaxy Fri 07-Jul-23 11:07:23

Well there has to be some way to distract from the fact that men commit the majority of violent crimes. It's so inconvenient.

Madgran77 Fri 07-Jul-23 11:59:46

It is not the law at fault here

I agree. It is the non application of the law that is at fault. All sentencing should be based on the nature of the crime , not on special circumstances, pleading or anything else similar. I think we agree and I'm not explaining myself clearly enough. I think that what has happened here could easily be replicated beyon the trans prisiners issue into other areas of sentencing and that is very concerning.

Madgran77 Fri 07-Jul-23 12:02:30

My post above was to Doodledog btw 😏

Doodledog Fri 07-Jul-23 12:20:19

That's perfectly clear to me, Madgran. Where does it stop?

Allowing people to identify as they wish is fair enough, but insisting that everyone else buys into that identification is where the problems start. Where there is differential treatment between the sexes it is for a reason, but taking it away removes the protection but the reason it was needed is still there.

Also, asking people (particularly children) to deny the evidence of their eyes and call men 'she', or accept that a drag queen is a woman, or a cat is a child is deeply dangerous. We need to be able to trust our feelings, and to describe what has happened to us in language that makes sense.

Sexual assault and rape are different things. 'He followed me home' is not the same as 'she followed me home'. Girl Guides camping together has a different set of connotations from a mixed sex group sharing a tent. The more the language is colonised the less the real meaning is clear, and none of this is to the advantage of women and girls.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 07-Jul-23 12:55:47

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148946/transgender-pf.pdf

This shows all the hoops that have to be jumped through with a convicted person who is transgender. I think the newspaper report might have been a bit misleading. How much additional tax payers money trans criminals are costing is concerning. Talk about special treatment and walking on eggshells.

timetogo2016 Fri 07-Jul-23 13:02:22

This world has gone mad.
Simple solution should be that a DNA test is carried out,if it comes back as male he should be put in a male jail.
You can`t argue with the fact that if you are born male or female,you can`t decide your the opposite regardless of what you think you are.

Dickens Fri 07-Jul-23 13:03:22

It's noticeable that TW activists - when they are haranguing and demonstrating against "TERFS" frequently use vocabulary and slogans which are sexually explicit, and threatening. Like, "suck my big girl d**k, bitch*.

This is typical male sexual aggression when the misogynistic male ego is being challenged.

Galaxy Fri 07-Jul-23 13:30:43

More interesting that generally transmen dont do that.
I dont think there is anything that demonstrates the importance of sex rather than gender than the differences in experience between transmen and transwomen.

Doodledog Fri 07-Jul-23 13:47:11

Yes, the sexual violence is very hetero-male, isn't it? Yet more evidence of the patriarchal roots (and branches) of the trans movement.

MerylStreep Sat 08-Jul-23 10:56:39

Has anyone else seen the new word put forward for our vaginas?
Bonus Hole. I’m not joking.

uk.news.yahoo.com/why-bonus-hole-going-viral-155830242.html

Callistemon21 Sat 08-Jul-23 11:00:15

none of this is to the advantage of women and girls

none of this is to the advantage of women and girls

NONE OF THIS IS TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WOMEN AND GIRLS

That needs to be shouted very loudly indeed.

Mollygo Sat 08-Jul-23 11:03:57

Callistemon21

^none of this is to the advantage of women and girls^

none of this is to the advantage of women and girls

NONE OF THIS IS TO THE ADVANTAGE OF WOMEN AND GIRLS

That needs to be shouted very loudly indeed.

And as often as possible.

Smileless2012 Sat 08-Jul-23 11:07:27

Thanks for the link Meryl. I'm fed up with attempts to rename us and our body parts to include and not offend the trans gender community.

It's ridiculous and offensive to women.

Mollygo Sat 08-Jul-23 11:07:52

MerylStreep A better prefix for hole for those who need a change in vocabulary would be A Simple Rectal Explanation .

Mollygo Sat 08-Jul-23 11:12:59

Spelling correctly might get me banned.

Iam64 Sat 08-Jul-23 11:25:16

It’s like Jaws - just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, along comes a bigger more aggressive shark

TerriBull Sat 08-Jul-23 12:27:03

Are there any more highly offensive descriptions of womens' body parts to come I wonder, or have we reached peak insults, "bonus hole" sounds like it belongs on a game show hmm and appallingly misogynistic!

Dickens Sat 08-Jul-23 15:27:20

MerylStreep

Has anyone else seen the new word put forward for our vaginas?
Bonus Hole. I’m not joking.

uk.news.yahoo.com/why-bonus-hole-going-viral-155830242.html

Apparently - if I understand correctly - it is only a suggestion of an alternative word to be used by care providers when dealing with the trans and non-binary community and their anatomy, so they are not offended or hurt by terminology that they feel doesn't apply to them, or they don't 'understand'. They are - again if I understand this correctly - to be given a choice of preferred terminology.

So I don't think women will automatically come under this umbrella. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the activists demand that the name be changed and vagina is eradicated entirely.

MerylStreep Sat 08-Jul-23 16:58:56

I’ve just read another article where someone has suggested….. wait for it: FRONT HOLE
I don’t know whether to pmsl or rant 😡

MerylStreep Sat 08-Jul-23 17:01:31

The frightening part, is: they walk amongst us 😱

Dickens Sat 08-Jul-23 18:11:00

MerylStreep

I’ve just read another article where someone has suggested….. wait for it: FRONT HOLE
I don’t know whether to pmsl or rant 😡

The terminology they're choosing has no finesse - it's coarse.

I can't but wonder if this is indicative of a mindset. If they have to find another word to describe a body part, could they not at least have thought of something with a bit more artistry or subtlety?

And why do they have to have a different word - I'm pretty sure that when it comes to medical care, they all know what a vagina is and are not going to be confused if it's used as a reference point.

BeverleyJB Sat 08-Jul-23 18:12:50

Mollygo & Doodledog - I don't think the law cares about women's feelings or how difficult sharing a cell with a man would be for a woman. Although I understand that cell sharing doesn’t (yet anyway) happen in the UK. In the USA, female inmates have been impregnated whilst in prison and even murdered by men who identify as women.

The very essence of gender identity ideology is the promotion of one individual's feelings over reality, facts & everyone else's feelings and rights.

We must keep speaking out - it's getting worse by the day. New CPS guidance says that a woman refusing to find her male partner's surgery for “transition” could be domestic abuse, as could not using his “chosen pronouns” or sharing ore-transition photographs.

Article here:
12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2023%2F07%2F07%2Frefusing-fund-spouse-partners-transition-domestic-abuse-cps%2F
But the CPS guidance is on line.

Mollygo Sat 08-Jul-23 18:38:48

BeverleyJB
We know, and the point has been made again and again. Sadly females are not just fighting against men eroding female rights, but also against women of both sexes who are supporting that erosion or refusing to admit that the erosion is wrong.

FarNorth Sat 08-Jul-23 21:41:37

The UK does have shared cells.

BeverleyJB Sat 08-Jul-23 21:45:55

FarNorth

The UK does have shared cells.

If you read my comment in context, it clearly means that in the UK there are currently no men accommodated in a women's prison who are sharing a cell with a woman.