Transgender-paedophi le-66-spared-jail-ca se-delayed. don't know where to send .

Yet we are told that gender and sex are different things and that no-one is trying to confuse the two - 🤔

Alan (Sarah Jane) Baker is still on probation after his 30 year prison sentence.

Why can't there be a specialised trans unit in a prison? There are not a huge number of Trans prisoners, it ought to be possible to have a unit where they are held, separately from men and women.

Now there are many very old prisoners on lifetime tariffs they have special units dealing with those with dementia and other conditions of extreme age.

M0nica

Why can't there be a specialised trans unit in a prison? There are not a huge number of Trans prisoners, it ought to be possible to have a unit where they are held, separately from men and women.

Now there are many very old prisoners on lifetime tariffs they have special units dealing with those with dementia and other conditions of extreme age.

Would these special trans units be new, modern, purpose-built ones, or would new modern units be built for existing prisoners who 'identify' in line with their sex, and the old, crumbling overcrowded cells be used for the 'special flowers' who want to be treated differently from the herd?

I'd want to know that before answering, really. I am wary of adding to the special status of trans-identifying people, who already have exactly the same rights as the rest of us, as well as the protections offered by being covered by anti-discrimination laws and a powerful pressure group behind them, because their 'feelings' entitle them to anything they want.

Doodledog

M0nica

Why can't there be a specialised trans unit in a prison? There are not a huge number of Trans prisoners, it ought to be possible to have a unit where they are held, separately from men and women.

Now there are many very old prisoners on lifetime tariffs they have special units dealing with those with dementia and other conditions of extreme age.

Would these special trans units be new, modern, purpose-built ones, or would new modern units be built for existing prisoners who 'identify' in line with their sex, and the old, crumbling overcrowded cells be used for the 'special flowers' who want to be treated differently from the herd?

I'd want to know that before answering, really. I am wary of adding to the special status of trans-identifying people, who already have exactly the same rights as the rest of us, as well as the protections offered by being covered by anti-discrimination laws and a powerful pressure group behind them, because their 'feelings' entitle them to anything they want.

I understand that prisoners are often moved from one prison to another at different stages in their term, and that different prison units specialise in dealing with different crimes. So if all were trans, a prisoner on a 25 year term for murder couldn’t be appropriately housed with somebody in for a sexual offence, or somebody in for a robbery at knifepoint, or who had committed fraud, or whatever other crime. Therefore you would need to develop specialist units at a large number of prisons to cater for all the different types of cases. Does anybody have an idea of how many of these prisoners there are in the system, recognising that they identify in different ways too?

Good point. I don't think that trans units are the answer. Prisoners should be housed by sex.

How many people is this likely to affect anyway? If 0.5% of the population is trans (government figures) and 136 people in every 100,000 goes to jail in England and Wales (also government figures) the number of people who are both trans and criminal must be vanishingly small.

According to the HMPPS Offenders Report, there were 2.9 transgender prisoners reported per 1,000 prisoners in custody on 31st March 2022, which is a rise from 2.5% in 2021. This seems to mean that there is a higher percentage of transpeople who break the law than of the rest of the population (or that a growing number of prisoners are suddenly 'identifying' as trans). All the same, at a time when there are so many problems in the prison system (drugs, overcrowding etc) it seems to me a disproportionate response to build special accommodation for a small number of people whose 'feelings' separate them from the rest.

I agree Doodledog that prisoners should be housed by sex and if this were to be undisputed, no doubt there would be a reduction in the number of people who between their arrest and going to trial, declare they're trans gender.

Yes Doodledog and that’s a good point Smileless2012. It would be worth collecting data on that if they made that decision.

There shouldn't need to be additional accommodation for these men, just because they say they're not men.
They are still part of the number of male prisoners who would be there anyway.
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of prison authorities to reorganise their accommodation to sort this out without inflicting males on the female prisoners.

I guess this unit, opened in 2019, is still going - attached to a women's prison, tho, with the men no doubt recorded as female .

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