Excellent article on economic migrants from genuine refugee

Everyone who wants to welcome these young fighting age men I’m guessing if you got a spare room you will be housing them in your spare rooms 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This was intended to be a serious topic of discussion, but the amount of pomposity shown by WW2 and her mates has me laughing. If I was an immigrant who was professionally qualified and had to enter UK via a small boat, I would have the required skill to have uploaded my particulars when i reached France or would be sufficiently lucid enough to show enough English to impress the UK authorities. If I could afford thousands to give to smugglers I would have the wherewithal to convince and have some form of documentation somewhere to prove my qualifications. It seems to me that those romantics who think we should believe the young men arriving in UK that they could solve the professional labour shortage prove that their analysis is lacking.

The average person on the streets would like to see our own homeless rehoused and those of them with mental illness treated. reading this thread, surely the Scots have the room to take a lot of refugees and economic migrants? Immigration is a hot topic on the political agenda of voters. I hate to tell you that most people who are on Council waiting lists are not in favour of uncontrolled immigration. Could all the labour enthusiasts tell us Sir Keirs policy on illegal immigration and his answer to the small boat crisis please?
Thank you for an entertaining few minutes!!

Primrose53

Nicenanny3

Just read the article in The Daily Mail found it very interesting thanks for posting Primrose

I agree with all he says re the unelected House of Lords trying to wreck The Illegal Migration Bill.

70 years ago the world was a different place, the UK has a long tradition of welcoming genuine refugees and helping countries in need but enough is enough we can't house or care for our own people.

Crazy isn’t it? Why don’t they say we are taking no more people (unless they are people we really need for work purposes) until we have sorted our own problems and then we will have a rethink. It’s not unkind, racist, lacking compassion or anything else, it’s commonsense.

Not a word on here about all the people (approx 100) who lost their jobs in a hotel in Wales because it is to be used for migrants. Jobs are in short enough supply in that area at the best of times. It seems there is no sympathy for them.

I agree.

Luckygirl3 - well said. The Mail piece has a whiff of ‘shutting the stable door’.

Awful article.
His first line -
I have nothing but contempt for the buffoons in the House of Lords

And then goes on to call them blowhards, describing them and their actions as - self-satisfied hypocrites oozing sanctimony / narcissistic, unelected, unaccountable .. political corruption of democracy / self-regarding virtue-signalling / distasteful /

and this lovely bit of nonsense - haughty moralistic tone adopted by the Lords is so immoral. Like he hasn't seen those horrors of the Conservative Party looking down their noses at the general public (1. See note at end).

This important sentence lost amongst the rubbish - The Lords rejected the Government's attempt to extend the amount of time children can be detained

The piece says there have been 12,500 people in small boats "this year" and cites the case of a 41 year old man trying to pass himself off as a teenage refuge. Of the 12,500 he can take time in this article to pick up on one man trying to do this .. and on this basis any and all children should be held in detention centres for longer?

^1. Article dated 5 October 2006 One of the leading members of the David Cameron generation of new Tories created a storm yesterday by comparing people who were not privately educated and did not go to Oxford or Cambridge universities to "potted plants".
Mr Rees-Mogg was asked for his reaction to a survey by the BBC programme Newsnight which showed that 28 per cent of those on the A-list of people that Mr Cameron wants as future Tory MPs are from Oxford or Cambridge, and a majority - 52 per cent - were privately educated. Mr Rees-Mogg, the Eton and Oxford-educated son of the Tory peer and former editor of The Times, William Rees-Mogg, said: "Oxford and Cambridge are world-renowned universities that get the crème of British academic life. It would be absolutely perverse to be biased against some of the cleverest people in the country.
"We don't want to make it harder for intellectually able people to be Tory party candidates. The Tory party, when it's elected, has to be able to form a government and it's not going to be able to form a government if it has potted plants as candidates simply to make up quotas."
He added: "When you go to an MP, you want somebody who will write an articulate letter to the social services or whoever it is to get your problem sorted out."
Mr Rees-Mogg also warned against having too high a proportion of ethnic minority candidates in place. "Ninety-five per cent of this country is white. The list can't be totally different from the country at large," he said.^

Again, that article is rubbish

I suspect that my MP was selected from the potted plants section of Conservative candidates....

M0nica

Why this contempt for economic migrants? All but very few come from desperately poor countries, where all that awaits them is unemployment and starvation.

Those prepared to take the risk of that difficult journey, often with two hazardous sea crossings, Mediterranean and Channel, are probably those with the highest courage resilience and determination in their countries and will be an asset to whichever country they end up in.

No, I am not arguing for open borders, and unchecked immigration. I am saying that we should respect all those who come over here, criminal element excepted. Ask yourselves whether you would have the courage to make the long uncertain journey they make, if it was the only way you could see to support your family and move them out of grinding poverty.

Are they any less admirable than all those Irish immigrants who fled Ireland in the 19th and 20th century for just the same reasons? I am descended from just such immigrants.

Ditto. Comments here about it always being men on these boats - as it ever was!

Passengers on board the Mayflower during its trans-Atlantic voyage of September 6 – November 9, 1620, the majority of them becoming the settlers of Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts. The Mayflower launched with 102 passengers, 74 male and 28 female, and a crew headed by Master Christopher Jones.

Seen the Kenneth Branagh film Belfast? The Dad travels to England to work, sending money home to his family. Read the books of Frank McCourt, Angela's Ashes? - In 1941 his father left for England, supposedly to work in a wartime munitions factory, but the family never received the money he had promised to send, family left destitute.

Anniel

This was intended to be a serious topic of discussion, but the amount of pomposity shown by WW2 and her mates has me laughing. If I was an immigrant who was professionally qualified and had to enter UK via a small boat, I would have the required skill to have uploaded my particulars when i reached France or would be sufficiently lucid enough to show enough English to impress the UK authorities. If I could afford thousands to give to smugglers I would have the wherewithal to convince and have some form of documentation somewhere to prove my qualifications. It seems to me that those romantics who think we should believe the young men arriving in UK that they could solve the professional labour shortage prove that their analysis is lacking.

The average person on the streets would like to see our own homeless rehoused and those of them with mental illness treated. reading this thread, surely the Scots have the room to take a lot of refugees and economic migrants? Immigration is a hot topic on the political agenda of voters. I hate to tell you that most people who are on Council waiting lists are not in favour of uncontrolled immigration. Could all the labour enthusiasts tell us Sir Keirs policy on illegal immigration and his answer to the small boat crisis please?
Thank you for an entertaining few minutes!!

Some good points. What a lot of people don’t understand is that people who come here legally from other countries are also very against people coming here illegally. I watched people being interviewed on the streets of Leicester, which as we all know is one of the most multicultural cities in the UK. There were Indians, Ugandan Asians, Poles, West Indians etc and every one of them said they were against people coming here illegally.

My best friend is from Tanzania and she had to go through all the correct procedures to settle here with her British husband. She complains like anything about the boat people and said it is so unfair that they can come over one day and be given accommodation, food, money etc the next.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

All I can say is that you lot are easily impressed.

My thoughts exactly. Not enough critical thought.

So, could you tell us what you feel is wrong with his explanation? (if you would)

Delila

Very early one spring morning this year, in a quintessential English village cricket pitch not far from the coast, I met a man, probably 30ish, of Middle Eastern appearance, preparing to set off on his bike.

His bike was festooned with polythene-wrapped packages tied with string. We smiled at each other and wished each other good day, and went our separate ways. I thought that bench on the cricket pavilion porch would have made a cosy bed for the night.

I hope things went well for him.

You could say the same for the many of our own veterans who sleep on our streets.

I do.

If it's families they are genuine refugees but if it's men they are criminals and they haven't been vetted by this country. That's not racism but common sense.

I so agree with you. Well said

Exactly!!

Songstress60 You sound so certain. Can you give us some links to the evidence that shows this is so.

I would ask the same of BevSec and Beautyandthebeast

Anyone can make assertions. I can say that all new posters on GN are trolls. But for anyone to accept that they will want the evidence - and it just isn't there.

The thing is on here there is a handful of people who are desperate to fill our country with migrants who we know nothing about. They try to infer that anybody who disagrees with them is racist.

Post a sensible comment about people from other countries who have settled here legally and who are also against the economic migrants coming here and they just ignore it because it doesn’t suit their agenda. See above.

Primrose I have read the whole thread and cannot find anyone who is desperate to fill our country with migrants who we know nothing about.

I don't know how you can possibly have found a handful of people thinking like this.

Grantanow

Why didn't Furedi's parents and their kids stay in Austria - a safe country? If they arrived on UK shores today they would have been assessed for Rwanda as having travelled through safe countries. Of course, they're white which might have affected the result. Where are the safe and legal routes for refugees? The article fails to explore that.

Safe routes, explanation easily found on the Gov Web site.

Grantanow

The Holocaust is irrelevant. Austria was safe for Jews in 1956. Yes, I did read the article. There was no need to venture further.

What an awful comment you have made about the Holocaust. Really you think it's irrelevant to Furedis parents fleeing. At least they fled together.

westendgirl

There are no safe and legal routes ar present and Furedi would have had to get here by whatever means they could.
Primrose don't you realise that often families club together to send their young to a new life in the hope that they will then be able to send for them when they are settled and working.
Interesting to hear that Germany , who have taken in many more immigrants,welcome them to fill the gaps where there are shortages in employment. Here of course they are not allowed to work and thus contribute to this country. This is , of course deliberate .The Tory party desperately looking for votes .

Yes there are safe and legal routes. These people just want to queue jump. See Gov web site.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-uk-small-boats-channel-asylum-b2303591.html

Well according to this article in the Independent, which I always feel is a well balanced newspaper politically, there are lots of reasons why genuine refugees can't use those routes. Did you know that you have to be physically present in the UK to claim asylum?

Another comment from another true refugee ;The illegal migration bill is a nasty piece of work.
Lord Dubs arrived on the Kindertransport age 6.

Anniel

This was intended to be a serious topic of discussion, but the amount of pomposity shown by WW2 and her mates has me laughing. If I was an immigrant who was professionally qualified and had to enter UK via a small boat, I would have the required skill to have uploaded my particulars when i reached France or would be sufficiently lucid enough to show enough English to impress the UK authorities. If I could afford thousands to give to smugglers I would have the wherewithal to convince and have some form of documentation somewhere to prove my qualifications. It seems to me that those romantics who think we should believe the young men arriving in UK that they could solve the professional labour shortage prove that their analysis is lacking.

The average person on the streets would like to see our own homeless rehoused and those of them with mental illness treated. reading this thread, surely the Scots have the room to take a lot of refugees and economic migrants? Immigration is a hot topic on the political agenda of voters. I hate to tell you that most people who are on Council waiting lists are not in favour of uncontrolled immigration. Could all the labour enthusiasts tell us Sir Keirs policy on illegal immigration and his answer to the small boat crisis please?
Thank you for an entertaining few minutes!!

Starmer has got no policies on tackling this. In fact they've been heard to say, , of course,that it'll be the least of their manifesto.
www.telegraph.co.uk.news
Labour is hiding its true views on illegal immigration.

westendgirl

Another comment from another true refugee ;The illegal migration bill is a nasty piece of work.
Lord Dubs arrived on the Kindertransport age 6.

I think we all know about Lord Dubs but that was during the war, so completely different times and involved around 10,000 children. Since then our country has taken in people from Uganda, The Congo, Hong Kong, Syria, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, India etc. Millions!

Boat people alone we have 45, 755 in 2022 and we are up to 12,772 already halfway through 2023. That is not counting all those who have arrived undetected by boat and in the back of lorries and who have just disappeared into the night.

joycerousselot123

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

All I can say is that you lot are easily impressed.

My thoughts exactly. Not enough critical thought.

So, could you tell us what you feel is wrong with his explanation? (if you would)

I agree with Maizie and Whitewave.

Personally, I would say that the article is "an emotional argument made with little or no supporting logical evidence". This is one of the reasons psychologists give for why people resort to name calling. That would seem to fit the quoted text.

I imagine the reason why so many people "liked" the article is because of it's bias towards towards emotion. Yet more populism.

So, yet again, the prize goes to the man who can make people angry and emotional, not to those who give a logical and workable argument.