Excellent article on economic migrants from genuine refugee

Primrose It is so difficult to have a conversation with you, a pity.

westendgirl

I have read the article, twice in fact which seems to me to be a diatribe against the House of Lords. He talks about genuine refugees but fails to say that there is no way for the genuine refugee to enter the country, so the refugees from countries such as Afghanistan, Syria , who are often have much to offer and are very well educated are left in limbo.
I was more interested listening to how Germany, where they have many more immigrants, has been glad to use the talents of these people to fill their gaps.

Germany has a much better organised refugee system. Refugees are expected to learn German so they can integrate far more quickly and contribute towards the economy which has welcomed them.

Grantanow

Why didn't Furedi's parents and their kids stay in Austria - a safe country? If they arrived on UK shores today they would have been assessed for Rwanda as having travelled through safe countries. Of course, they're white which might have affected the result. Where are the safe and legal routes for refugees? The article fails to explore that.

Austria itself was still on its knees in 1956 after Hitler's War. They were overwhelmed with Hungarian refugees and England was the place to go if you were an intellectual as they had won the war.

westendgirl

Primrose It is so difficult to have a conversation with you, a pity.

Because I don’t agree with you?

Monica your comments don’t stack up.I am the least angry or emotional person you could ever meet, and I agree with the article and all the points that Furedi makes.
Half the world is on the move and so many countries are tearing their hair out for a remedy to stop it as it impacts their country so negatively.Stopping the boats needs action not constant handwringing and if this government or whoever come next can act it will be a good thing.

Stopping the boats is imperative, it's dangerous on many levels -
The boats are unsafe.
The route the boats take is unsafe - adverse weather, larger vessels along those routes running down the small boats - you would have to be really desperate to resort to these means.
The money the boat owners take from these desperate people!
Allowing unvetted, undocumented people into the country with no health checks taken.

But the legal route - processing people - is incredibly slow (I looked up statistics a couple of months ago - 18 months for the process is the norm). From what I read - Staff are trained and then leave .. demoralised by their work. There aren't enough trained staff - that, in my opinion, is where the money should be spent - right now! You won't stop the small boats until people are able to find a better solution. A workable solution - 18 months on the premise of "maybe" being allowed to enter the UK versus a small boat and in the country within days - what would a desperate person choose?

Adding a recent YouTube of a Channel 4 programme which some might find of interest. I live in Lincolnshire and the takeover of RAF Scampton is a big issue up here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakdFcNezW4

My little Village has a local hotel (within 2 miles) that has in the last 10 months been used to house asylum seekers, I see them walking around the Village - playing football - sitting by the Village pond - walking to the local shop. I've not had any problems, the four or five I've spoken to (I've purchased footballs for them) seem very nice, although some people vent on the local facebook page (I understand groups of 3 - 4 - 5 men can be intimidating, but honestly some of the ignorant comments - and there are racist comments - make me rage).

LondonMzFitz

Stopping the boats is imperative, it's dangerous on many levels -
The boats are unsafe.
The route the boats take is unsafe - adverse weather, larger vessels along those routes running down the small boats - you would have to be really desperate to resort to these means.
The money the boat owners take from these desperate people!
Allowing unvetted, undocumented people into the country with no health checks taken.

But the legal route - processing people - is incredibly slow (I looked up statistics a couple of months ago - 18 months for the process is the norm). From what I read - Staff are trained and then leave .. demoralised by their work. There aren't enough trained staff - that, in my opinion, is where the money should be spent - right now! You won't stop the small boats until people are able to find a better solution. A workable solution - 18 months on the premise of "maybe" being allowed to enter the UK versus a small boat and in the country within days - what would a desperate person choose?

Adding a recent YouTube of a Channel 4 programme which some might find of interest. I live in Lincolnshire and the takeover of RAF Scampton is a big issue up here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakdFcNezW4

My little Village has a local hotel (within 2 miles) that has in the last 10 months been used to house asylum seekers, I see them walking around the Village - playing football - sitting by the Village pond - walking to the local shop. I've not had any problems, the four or five I've spoken to (I've purchased footballs for them) seem very nice, although some people vent on the local facebook page (I understand groups of 3 - 4 - 5 men can be intimidating, but honestly some of the ignorant comments - and there are racist comments - make me rage).

Metal boats are now being constructed from scrap metal and they’re using old tyre inners as life belts. This is in Tunisia. Seems the whole world wants to come here by one method or another.

Meanwhile a barge is off the coast of Dorset ready to house 500 immigrants who will have buses laid on so they can go ashore and play football, shop, use computers etc. Can’t imagine many will come back on the bus!! Locals are not happy either.

The Lords, last night, backed down on any further amendments to the government's bill to stop the "little boats", so it will become law shortly.

news.sky.com/story/lords-back-down-over-controversial-government-plans-to-stop-small-boats-crossing-the-channel-12922611

Good.

In your view, Nanny3 , not in mine .

I wonder how easy it will be to collect robust data on how far this initiative will succeed in it's avowed aim to "stop the little boats"? If I were a people smuggler I'd be reassuring my " clients " that this is not true/ only applies to Albanians/ is enacted just on Wednesdays or any other such nonsense. These folk are on the front line, have the ear of desperate men and women and will be motivated to keep up their lucrative trade. Who will measure the effectiveness?

39westendgirl

In your view, Nanny3 , not in mine .

You have your view and I have mine fair enough, what amused me about your post was leaving Nice off my name lol, how old are you that's something little kids at school would do

14:24Chocolatelovinggran

I wonder how easy it will be to collect robust data on how far this initiative will succeed in it's avowed aim to "stop the little boats"? If I were a people smuggler I'd be reassuring my " clients " that this is not true/ only applies to Albanians/ is enacted just on Wednesdays or any other such nonsense. These folk are on the front line, have the ear of desperate men and women and will be motivated to keep up their lucrative trade. Who will measure the effectiveness?

I'm sure when plane loads take off to Rwanda news will get around pretty quickly, would you pay thousands of pounds to end up in Rwanda, fingers crossed Supreme Court agrees

I am highly empathetic, it's one of my best traits, I think. To be able to put myself in someone else's shoes. My hard as nails Mum would, in fact, call me "soft". I'd rather be that than to rubbish people in desperate need.

The way these asylum seekers are blamed rather than the Government sitting on its arse not processing them quickly enough is frustrating.

Christian faith and the parable of the Good Samaritan has always resonated with me.

How can any government deal with the floods of people arriving on boats. If they haven’t got paperwork we can’t process them anyway, you can’t believe what people say. The Daily Mail, has its faults, but it has done a lot of good, more than any other newspaper, with their campaigns. I believe it’s the most read newspaper. No one has to buy it. A couple on here look down on it, always rubbish everything that’s done. I would like to know what high powered jobs they hold and what they are doing contributing as they are so passionate to take everyone. I can but guess.
No country has this sorted, why do they sit waiting in France and risk their lives to come here, France is safe. We need to assess quickly and return those not entitled to be here. Ask anyone that lives by the centres and hotels where they are housed what they feel, the truth? Their sympathy has run out.

Another 500+ arrived today. That’s like a bargeful every day now. Well beyond a joke.

Primrose53

Another 500+ arrived today. That’s like a bargeful every day now. Well beyond a joke.

I don't think anyone thinks it is a "joke". There is nothing funny about people risking their lives to claim asylum. This "bargeful" are people, people like you and me, children like our children, people with hopes for a better life. People, not a "bargeful". A bargeful is lumps of coal, containers of "stuff" , things transported but surely not "people"?

foxie48

Primrose53

Another 500+ arrived today. That’s like a bargeful every day now. Well beyond a joke.

I don't think anyone thinks it is a "joke". There is nothing funny about people risking their lives to claim asylum. This "bargeful" are people, people like you and me, children like our children, people with hopes for a better life. People, not a "bargeful". A bargeful is lumps of coal, containers of "stuff" , things transported but surely not "people"?

The barge is full, hence bargefull. Read today migrants are demanding houses, not hotel rooms. Tell me another country where we can just enter and demand housing. I for one am sick and tired of them.